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April 30th 08, 06:13 PM
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:06:37 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote: In message l Chris Johns wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Graeme Wall wrote: Wow, it's like having our very own automatic Daily Mail Talking Point- bot. [snip] Neither of which statements are true. I don't think the Daily Mail ever let something minor like the truth get in the way. Given you snipped the lie (oops I meant line, typo honest!) I was referring to... Though your lack of response to my response speaks volumes. |
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April 30th 08, 06:48 PM
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James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:06:37 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote: In message l Chris Johns wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Graeme Wall wrote: Wow, it's like having our very own automatic Daily Mail Talking Point- bot. [snip] Neither of which statements are true. I don't think the Daily Mail ever let something minor like the truth get in the way. Given you snipped the lie (oops I meant line, typo honest!) I was referring to... Though your lack of response to my response speaks volumes. Actually says I haven't a clue what you are talking about now, which response to what response? -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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April 30th 08, 06:59 PM
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On 30 Apr, 18:48, Graeme Wall wrote:
Though your lack of response to my response speaks volumes. Actually says I haven't a clue what you are talking about now, which response to what response? I think he means hsi point about "Labour introduced on-demand postal voting, so it's all their fault, plus they do most of the cheating". Now, given that the main focus of the Rowntree report is the lack of ID verification for voting, which has been the case since we introduced voting, the first criticism would seem a little misplaced. And given that, should you actually read the linked report, it's clear that councillors from all parties (including Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems, Respect, BNP and DUP) have been caught cheating, the second criticism would seem to be utter nonsense. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
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#34
April 30th 08, 07:16 PM
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:48:01 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote: In message James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:06:37 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote: In message l Chris Johns wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Graeme Wall wrote: Wow, it's like having our very own automatic Daily Mail Talking Point- bot. [snip] Neither of which statements are true. I don't think the Daily Mail ever let something minor like the truth get in the way. Given you snipped the lie (oops I meant line, typo honest!) I was referring to... Though your lack of response to my response speaks volumes. Actually says I haven't a clue what you are talking about now, which response to what response? I stated that the reference to "Labour's ballot rigging" by John Rowland upthread was "because it is enabled by a measure brought in by Labour and has predominantly been done by Labour". You claimed: "Neither of which statements are true". I then demonstrated in Message-ID: that, in fact, both statements are true. And you had no comment. I wonder why. |
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#35
April 30th 08, 07:29 PM
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John B wrote: On 30 Apr, 18:48, Graeme Wall wrote: Though your lack of response to my response speaks volumes. Actually says I haven't a clue what you are talking about now, which response to what response? I think he means hsi point about "Labour introduced on-demand postal voting, so it's all their fault, plus they do most of the cheating". Can't be, I did respond to that, or perhaps he didn't realise... Now, given that the main focus of the Rowntree report is the lack of ID verification for voting, which has been the case since we introduced voting, the first criticism would seem a little misplaced. And given that, should you actually read the linked report, it's clear that councillors from all parties (including Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems, Respect, BNP and DUP) have been caught cheating, the second criticism would seem to be utter nonsense. Precisely my point. -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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April 30th 08, 07:30 PM
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James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:48:01 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote: In message James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:06:37 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote: In message l Chris Johns wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Graeme Wall wrote: Wow, it's like having our very own automatic Daily Mail Talking Point- bot. [snip] Neither of which statements are true. I don't think the Daily Mail ever let something minor like the truth get in the way. Given you snipped the lie (oops I meant line, typo honest!) I was referring to... Though your lack of response to my response speaks volumes. Actually says I haven't a clue what you are talking about now, which response to what response? I stated that the reference to "Labour's ballot rigging" by John Rowland upthread was "because it is enabled by a measure brought in by Labour and has predominantly been done by Labour". You claimed: "Neither of which statements are true". I then demonstrated in Message-ID: that, in fact, both statements are true. And you had no comment. I wonder why. Well you didn't actually demonstrate it and I didn't want to embarras you further. -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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April 30th 08, 07:49 PM
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:30:26 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote: In message James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:48:01 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote: In message James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:06:37 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote: In message l Chris Johns wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Graeme Wall wrote: Wow, it's like having our very own automatic Daily Mail Talking Point- bot. [snip] Neither of which statements are true. I don't think the Daily Mail ever let something minor like the truth get in the way. Given you snipped the lie (oops I meant line, typo honest!) I was referring to... Though your lack of response to my response speaks volumes. Actually says I haven't a clue what you are talking about now, which response to what response? I stated that the reference to "Labour's ballot rigging" by John Rowland upthread was "because it is enabled by a measure brought in by Labour and has predominantly been done by Labour". You claimed: "Neither of which statements are true". I then demonstrated in Message-ID: that, in fact, both statements are true. And you had no comment. I wonder why. Well you didn't actually demonstrate it and I didn't want to embarras you further. I think it's rather more embarrassing to claim that a measure introduced in 2000 was not introduced by Labour. |
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April 30th 08, 08:31 PM
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, John B wrote:
On 30 Apr, 18:48, Graeme Wall wrote: Though your lack of response to my response speaks volumes. Actually says I haven't a clue what you are talking about now, which response to what response? I think he means hsi point about "Labour introduced on-demand postal voting, so it's all their fault, plus they do most of the cheating". Now, given that the main focus of the Rowntree report is the lack of ID verification for voting, which has been the case since we introduced voting, the first criticism would seem a little misplaced. Perhaps, but it is nonetheless true that labour introduced on-demand postal voting. Inferring from that that it's a giant labour plot to stuff ballot boxes across the nation seems a little tinfoil-hat, though. And given that, should you actually read the linked report, it's clear that councillors from all parties (including Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems, Respect, BNP and DUP) have been caught cheating, the second criticism would seem to be utter nonsense. Well, not quite. He said "most of the cheating" - the fact that all parties do some cheating doesn't tell is whether one particular party does most of it or not. Just like saying "all countries have dropped bombs on another country at some point since 1945" doesn't tell you that there's one in particular that's contributed most of them. I don't recall any evidence for any labour dominance of the vote-rigging market being presented, though. If there is any, i'd certainly be interested to see it (again, if necessary!). tom -- What were the skies like when you were young? |
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April 30th 08, 09:28 PM
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Tom Anderson wrote:
I don't recall any evidence for any labour dominance of the vote-rigging market being presented, though. If there is any, i'd certainly be interested to see it (again, if necessary!). It would also be of interest to know whether what's being alleged is the number of votes rigged, or the number of wards/constituencies whose result was altered by rigged votes. -- http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p10907015.html (45 135 at Wolverhampton, 1985) |
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April 30th 08, 09:48 PM
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James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:30:26 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote: In message James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:48:01 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote: In message James Farrar wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:06:37 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote: In message l Chris Johns wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008, Graeme Wall wrote: Wow, it's like having our very own automatic Daily Mail Talking Point- bot. [snip] Neither of which statements are true. I don't think the Daily Mail ever let something minor like the truth get in the way. Given you snipped the lie (oops I meant line, typo honest!) I was referring to... Though your lack of response to my response speaks volumes. Actually says I haven't a clue what you are talking about now, which response to what response? I stated that the reference to "Labour's ballot rigging" by John Rowland upthread was "because it is enabled by a measure brought in by Labour and has predominantly been done by Labour". You claimed: "Neither of which statements are true". I then demonstrated in Message-ID: that, in fact, both statements are true. And you had no comment. I wonder why. Well you didn't actually demonstrate it and I didn't want to embarras you further. I think it's rather more embarrassing to claim that a measure introduced in 2000 was not introduced by Labour. So why claim it? -- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail. Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html |
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