On 29 Apr, 16:30, asdf wrote:
What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

(Ignoring the current passageway/escalator closures.)

Well, you now [sometimes] have to pass the validator when arriving on
the DLR due to the one way system, which sends you along the
departures platform (which doesn't have its own validator, does it?).

U

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On 29 Apr, 17:13, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 29 Apr, 16:30, asdf wrote:

What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

(Ignoring the current passageway/escalator closures.)

Well, you now [sometimes] have to pass the validator when arriving on
the DLR due to the one way system, which sends you along the
departures platform (which doesn't have its own validator, does it?).

Yes, there's one near the bottom of the stairs from the Northern Line
platforms.

(It's the one I touched "in" at when I forgot to touch in at Euston
and exited at Monument (for Cannon Street) and got charged the correct
zone 1 fare, as anecdoted before.)

On 29 Apr, 18:01, MIG wrote:
Yes, there's one near the bottom of the stairs from the Northern Line
platforms.

Sorry, I meant to ask about the arrivals platform. There's not a
second DLR validator, is there?

U

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On 29 Apr, 18:10, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 29 Apr, 18:01, MIG wrote:

Yes, there's one near the bottom of the stairs from the Northern Line
platforms.

Sorry, I meant to ask about the arrivals platform. There's not a
second DLR validator, is there?

Ah, no; don't think so. I can picture two in the DLR part of the
station, but think logically that there must be a third.

That is, there must be one in each of the middle passageways at the
bottom of both sets of Escalators (to Central and District lines
respectively) and the one at the bottom of the Northern Line stairs.
I can't actually picture one at the Monument escalators, but think it
would have to be there.

On 29 Apr, 18:01, MIG wrote:
On 29 Apr, 17:13, Mr Thant
wrote:

On 29 Apr, 16:30, asdf wrote:

What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

(Ignoring the current passageway/escalator closures.)

Well, you now [sometimes] have to pass the validator when arriving on
the DLR due to the one way system, which sends you along the
departures platform (which doesn't have its own validator, does it?).

Yes, there's one near the bottom of the stairs from the Northern Line
platforms.

(It's the one I touched "in" at when I forgot to touch in at Euston
and exited at Monument (for Cannon Street) and got charged the correct
zone 1 fare, as anecdoted before.)

Or is that the one you meant? I was comparing with the one in the
central passageway at the bottom of the escalators at the north end,
and can't remember if there's one at the bottom of the escalators from
Monument.

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant wrote:

What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

Ah, right. So it's not entirely obvious that the purpose of the
validator is for those entering/leaving the station using the lift to
KWS?

asdf wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant wrote:

What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

Ah, right. So it's not entirely obvious that the purpose of the
validator is for those entering/leaving the station using the lift to
KWS?

Perhaps they should put a barrier line across the lift door! :-)

[not a serious suggestion - I'm unaware of the physical constraints down
there...]

Paul S

On Apr 29, 7:54*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
asdf wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant wrote:

What's the layout of barriers and validators at Bank/Monument? Am I
right in thinking it's as shown (logically) in the diagram below?

Yes, although there's a behind barriers route between the W&C and the
rest of the station, and the lift to KWS is in the Lombard Street
ticket hall rather than anywhere near the validator.

Ah, right. So it's not entirely obvious that the purpose of the
validator is for those entering/leaving the station using the lift to
KWS?

Perhaps they should put a barrier line across the lift door! *:-)

[not a serious suggestion - I'm unaware of the physical constraints down
there...]


I really don't think it's anything to do with the lifts. I
hypothesise that there was a general decision to place validators
wherever anyone could enter or leave a DLR platform, regardless of the
barrier situation.

Not having them at Bank would have made Bank an exception, rather than
the other way round, and maybe the argument was never made.

Far more mysterious (has this been raised before?) are the Carnet
validators, which don't seem to exist at any other DLR stations.
Maybe they are to do with the lifts.

By the way, there are two Oyster validators at the north end, one
nearer the bottom of the escalators and one right by the cut through
to the departure platform. So that's three with the one at the bottom
of the Northern Line stairs and four with the one I am assuming to be
near the bottom of the Monument escalators.

MIG wrote

Not having them at Bank would have made Bank an exception, rather
than
the other way round, and maybe the argument was never made.

Far more mysterious (has this been raised before?) are the Carnet
validators, which don't seem to exist at any other DLR stations.
Maybe they are to do with the lifts.

Bank got Carnet validators because of the W&C line which had no
barriers at Bank in those distant days as it still hasn't at Waterloo.

--
Mike D

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

MIG wrote

Not having them at Bank would have made Bank an
exception, rather than the other way round, and maybe
the argument was never made.

Far more mysterious (has this been raised before?)
are the Carnet validators, which don't seem to exist
at any other DLR stations. Maybe they are to do with
the lifts.

Bank got Carnet validators because of the W&C line which had no
barriers at Bank in those distant days as it still hasn't at Waterloo.


Sorry, that doesn't make any sense - before the W&C line platforms at
Bank were brought inside the gated area, passengers transferring from
the W&C to DLR at Bank had to go through gates to enter the gated
area. These gates were located in the passageway that has the
Greathead shield in it leading away from the W&C platforms - you can
still see an equipment box for the gates down there, indeed the box
still has some kit in it.