On Tue, 6 May 2008 15:46:46 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Scott wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2008 11:06:01 +0100, Tom Barry
wrote:

Boltar wrote:
I think one of the first things boris should at is ditch Kens
idiotic , deliberate and spiteful disparity between the Oyster and
cash fares to deliberately force occasional commuters to use Oyster
to no benefit to themselves but every benefit to TfL.

B2003

That's dreadful. I think Boris should introduce a scheme whereby you
can top up your Oyster automatically when it runs out...

Tom

I thought you could by registering your bank account details on the
tfl site.

I think you might have missed some of the sarcasm in Tom's suggestion
above...

Paul

I think I must have missed all of it. But then again, I don't live in
London.

On 6 May, 12:47, wrote:

The advantage of people paying by oyster isn't just reduced costs.
It's also faster journey times. It used to take forever for a long
queue to board a bus, when many people were paying cash. Now that
paying cash is significantly more expensive, hardly anyone does.

In a sense, having to effectively pay a penalty for using cash is the
price we pay for faster journey times. I don't think the people who
are responsibe for the difference between oyster and cash fares were
motivated by spite.

There is also the advantage of cutting down bus robberies. There is
less motive for villans to attack drivers to steal the money now that
there are often only small sums of cash in the box.

If its not by spite then what is the purpose exactly? Faster boarding
times hardly apply to the tube - you don't pay on the train!

Yes, in this case you have faster entry times at stations, as swiping
Oyster is much faster then using paper tickets.

Scott wrote:


It looked like you were posting randomly without regard to the
previous posting but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Just to be clear, it's a nailed on certainty that any thread featuring
'Boltar' will degenerate into a blizzard of very short postings from
said gentleman mostly being unpleasantly rude and refusing to engage in
any actual discussion. I therefore decided to go straight to sarcasm
and leave it there. Saves time, and it's not like anyone can persuade
him otherwise anyway.

Tom

On Tue, 06 May 2008 19:25:56 +0100, Tom Barry
wrote:

Scott wrote:


It looked like you were posting randomly without regard to the
previous posting but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Just to be clear, it's a nailed on certainty that any thread featuring
'Boltar' will degenerate into a blizzard of very short postings from
said gentleman mostly being unpleasantly rude and refusing to engage in
any actual discussion. I therefore decided to go straight to sarcasm
and leave it there. Saves time, and it's not like anyone can persuade
him otherwise anyway.

Tom

Okay, I have looked back. I see what has happened. Not being a
Londoner I did not fully appreciate this earlier on.

On 6 May, 19:25, Tom Barry wrote:
Scott wrote:
It looked like you were posting randomly without regard to the
previous posting but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Just to be clear, it's a nailed on certainty that any thread featuring
'Boltar' will degenerate into a blizzard of very short postings from
said gentleman mostly being unpleasantly rude and refusing to engage in
any actual discussion. I therefore decided to go straight to sarcasm
and leave it there. Saves time, and it's not like anyone can persuade
him otherwise anyway.

Ha , thats ironic given the number of LU & TfL sheeple on here who no
matter what these organisations do or suggest its always a good idea.
TfL could suggest invading Poland and someone on here would nod in
approval.

Until someone can give me a good reason why paying by cash should be
penalised by TfL then I don't see why I should change my opinion. I'm
not interested in how it may or may not benefit TfL , as a passenger
thats of no concern to me anymore than I give a rats arse how Asda or
Tesco or Mr Patel in his corner shop deal with cash. I want to know
how it benefits me and frankly I can't think of any good reason for
them to penalise its use from a passengers point of view.

B2003

On 6 May, 17:53, alex_t wrote:
If its not by spite then what is the purpose exactly? Faster boarding
times hardly apply to the tube - you don't pay on the train!

Yes, in this case you have faster entry times at stations, as swiping
Oyster is much faster then using paper tickets.

For the small amount of people who'd still buy a paper ticket thats an
irrelevance. And people who don't know how to use an Oyster card still
stand in front of the gate thoroughly confused anyway just as they do
with a paper ticket.

B2003

On 6 May, 20:15, Boltar wrote:
For the small amount of people who'd still buy a paper ticket

What makes you think the number would still be small if there was
price parity?

U

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A blog about transport projects in London

Mr Thant wrote:
On 6 May, 20:15, Boltar wrote:
For the small amount of people who'd still buy a paper ticket

What makes you think the number would still be small if there was
price parity?

When the Luas trams were introduced in Dublin a lot more people were
buying daily single tickets than had been expected. This meant things
like emptying the ticket machines was costing more than planned, plus
queues were forming.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

wrote:

The advantage of people paying by oyster isn't just reduced costs.
It's also faster journey times. It used to take forever for a long
queue to board a bus, when many people were paying cash. Now that
paying cash is significantly more expensive, hardly anyone does.

In a sense, having to effectively pay a penalty for using cash is the
price we pay for faster journey times. I don't think the people who
are responsibe for the difference between oyster and cash fares were
motivated by spite.

I'd be a lot more sympathetic if the system was geared up to make it easier
to actually use Oyster throughout. Generally when I'm travelling by bus it's
either at night or weekends, when it's significantly harder to find a place
to top up the Oyster due to all the convenience stores being shut, and these
are precisely the times when people need the safety of bus travel. Then I'm
not sure where one can actually buy an Oyster card from (we don't have a
tube station here). Both of these are impossible to do so at the bus stops.