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On May 12, 2:14 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
If you're a tourist, RATP will try to sell you the overpriced Paris
Visite card instead of a Carte Orange. The cheapest Paris Visite cards
for a whole week (Zones 1-3) would cost EUR 41.50. Whereas a Carte
Orange would cost only 16.30 for 1-2 (and there is little of interest to
a tourist in zone 3) or 21.60 for 1-3.


Yes , but the visite card gets you discounts of a shed load of
tourists sights unlike the normal tickets. Depending on where you
visit in a week it could save you a lot of money.

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Boltar wrote:
On May 12, 2:14 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
If you're a tourist, RATP will try to sell you the overpriced Paris
Visite card instead of a Carte Orange. The cheapest Paris Visite cards
for a whole week (Zones 1-3) would cost EUR 41.50. Whereas a Carte
Orange would cost only 16.30 for 1-2 (and there is little of interest to
a tourist in zone 3) or 21.60 for 1-3.


Yes , but the visite card gets you discounts of a shed load of
tourists sights unlike the normal tickets. Depending on where you
visit in a week it could save you a lot of money.


Some places make it near impossible for tourists to buy the normal
ticket without the discounts for museums they don't want to visit -
Budapest was one, where they claim it is impossible to buy the day
ticket at the airport.

So you find yourself staggering into an dull exhibition twenty minutes
before it shuts, with an "I'm damned well going to get my money's worth
out of this blasted ticket" expression.

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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK
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Some places make it near impossible for tourists to buy the normal ticket
without the discounts for museums they don't want to visit - Budapest was
one, where they claim it is impossible to buy the day ticket at the
airport.

So you find yourself staggering into an dull exhibition twenty minutes
before it shuts, with an "I'm damned well going to get my money's worth
out of this blasted ticket" expression.

--


Good cuisine in Budapest, however.


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Boltar wrote:
On May 12, 2:14 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
If you're a tourist, RATP will try to sell you the overpriced Paris
Visite card instead of a Carte Orange. The cheapest Paris Visite cards
for a whole week (Zones 1-3) would cost EUR 41.50. Whereas a Carte
Orange would cost only 16.30 for 1-2 (and there is little of interest to
a tourist in zone 3) or 21.60 for 1-3.


Yes , but the visite card gets you discounts of a shed load of
tourists sights unlike the normal tickets.


As far as I can tell, the few sites (hardly a "shed load") where you get
a discount are mainly sites that most tourists would not visit
otherwise. I certainly have never felt the need to pay for any of these
dubious attractions.
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Michael Hoffman wrote:
Boltar wrote:
On May 12, 2:14 pm, Michael Hoffman wrote:
If you're a tourist, RATP will try to sell you the overpriced Paris
Visite card instead of a Carte Orange. The cheapest Paris Visite cards
for a whole week (Zones 1-3) would cost EUR 41.50. Whereas a Carte
Orange would cost only 16.30 for 1-2 (and there is little of interest to
a tourist in zone 3) or 21.60 for 1-3.


Yes , but the visite card gets you discounts of a shed load of
tourists sights unlike the normal tickets.


As far as I can tell, the few sites (hardly a "shed load") where you get
a discount are mainly sites that most tourists would not visit
otherwise. I certainly have never felt the need to pay for any of these
dubious attractions.


We had a short visit to Paris in January and got the 3-day Zones 1-3
Paris Visite ticket for €19 and used it extensively on Metro, buses,
Montmartre funicular. We managed to use 4 of the discounted offers - Arc
de Triomphe, Opéra Nationale, Bâteaux Parisiens, Grand'Arche de la
Défense - and certainly didn't regard them as "dubious" attractions, and
all in all thought it quite good value. On previous visits I have used
the "Carte Orange", notably while camping out at Maisons-Laffite, but I
think it is not available for less than a week - and now comes in the
form of "Navigo" (French for Oyster!) and costing more for those not
resident in Ile-de-France.

Peter Beale
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:55 +0100, Peter Beale
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We had a short visit to Paris in January and got the 3-day Zones 1-3
Paris Visite ticket for €19 and used it extensively on Metro, buses,
Montmartre funicular. We managed to use 4 of the discounted offers - Arc
de Triomphe, Opéra Nationale, Bâteaux Parisiens, Grand'Arche de la
Défense - and certainly didn't regard them as "dubious" attractions, and
all in all thought it quite good value.


Yes, all good stuff, although I don't think I've ever used these
reductions.

On previous visits I have used
the "Carte Orange", notably while camping out at Maisons-Laffite, but I
think it is not available for less than a week - and now comes in the
form of "Navigo" (French for Oyster!) and costing more for those not
resident in Ile-de-France.


Yes, it's a week or a month (or a year for the differently-branded
"Intégrale"). Unfortunately it's still a fixed week (Mon-Sun) or
month. Even with the Carte Orange now officially available for
aliens, this "feature" prevents its use for long weekends, etc. I
don't believe it costs more for non-residents, however, except that
the card costs 5 euros and isn't replaced if lost...

Richard.
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Richard wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:55 +0100, Peter Beale
wrote:
We had a short visit to Paris in January and got the 3-day Zones 1-3
Paris Visite ticket for €19 and used it extensively on Metro, buses,
Montmartre funicular. We managed to use 4 of the discounted offers - Arc
de Triomphe, Opéra Nationale, Bâteaux Parisiens, Grand'Arche de la
Défense - and certainly didn't regard them as "dubious" attractions, and
all in all thought it quite good value.


Yes, all good stuff, although I don't think I've ever used these
reductions.

On previous visits I have used
the "Carte Orange", notably while camping out at Maisons-Laffite, but I
think it is not available for less than a week - and now comes in the
form of "Navigo" (French for Oyster!) and costing more for those not
resident in Ile-de-France.


Yes, it's a week or a month (or a year for the differently-branded
"Intégrale"). Unfortunately it's still a fixed week (Mon-Sun) or
month. Even with the Carte Orange now officially available for
aliens, this "feature" prevents its use for long weekends, etc. I
don't believe it costs more for non-residents, however, except that
the card costs 5 euros and isn't replaced if lost...


I realize that on checking the RATP site again - there is le passe
Navigo for Ile-de-France residents, and le passe Navigo Découverte for
non-residents, as you say - for some reason I had it in my mind that
there were two scales of fares.

Peter Beale

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