On 20 May, 03:16, "John Rowland"
wrote:
I was there on Monday. I'm not sure why the footbridge, complete with a MIP
lift on each side, is there at all.

Think about when the barriers are most likely to be closed. Building
it without a footbridge would make whoever designed Shepherd's Bush
seem like a genius.

U

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Mr Thant wrote:
On 19 May, 12:48, Paul Corfield wrote:
1 June 2008

Yes, announced on the FCC website:
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=331

It certainly wasn't ready to open when I visited on Saturday:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...eks-to-go.html

I was there on Monday. I'm not sure why the footbridge, complete with a
MIP lift on each side, is there at all.

If you go back a couple of years to the high profile incident at Elsenham,
when two girls were killed at a LC between the ticket office and the train
they needed, I suspect all new stations with adjacent LCs will get
footbridges. What is unusual here is that the footbridge is onto the down
platform and separated from the up platform due to the staggered layout,
(which is to reduce the time the barriers are closed to traffic). I suspect
many pax will wait at the road barriers though if they've just got off a
train.

The lifts are then apparently compulsory with a new footbridge, cos of the
DDA, although I'm sure there are exceptions...

Paul S

John Rowland wrote:
Mr Thant wrote:
On 19 May, 12:48, Paul Corfield wrote:
1 June 2008
Yes, announced on the FCC website:
http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk...iCmsPageId=331

It certainly wasn't ready to open when I visited on Saturday:
http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...eks-to-go.html

I was there on Monday. I'm not sure why the footbridge, complete with a MIP
lift on each side, is there at all.

I'm pretty sure yesterday at Clapham Junction that Mitcham Eastfields
was announced as a stopping point for the Southern trains...

--
Paul

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 01:08:41AM -0700, Mr Thant wrote:
On 20 May, 03:16, "John Rowland"
I was there on Monday. I'm not sure why the footbridge, complete with a MIP
lift on each side, is there at all.
Think about when the barriers are most likely to be closed. Building
it without a footbridge would make whoever designed Shepherd's Bush
seem like a genius.

The barriers are most likely to be down when a train is very near the
station. By which time you will already be at the station if you have
any sense, so it's obviously not meant to help people catch their
trains :-)

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:22:15AM +0100, Paul Scott wrote:

If you go back a couple of years to the high profile incident at Elsenham,
when two girls were killed at a LC between the ticket office and the train
they needed, I suspect all new stations with adjacent LCs will get
footbridges.

Yay, let's spend vast sums of money to protect the stupid from
themselves.

What is unusual here is that the footbridge is onto the down
platform and separated from the up platform due to the staggered layout,

Why not have the bridge go diagonally across the level crossing so that
it really does link the two platforms?

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The Law of Daves: in any gathering of technical people, the
number of Daves will be greater than the number of women.

On 21 May, 11:58, David Cantrell wrote:
The barriers are most likely to be down when a train is very near the
station. *By which time you will already be at the station if you have
any sense, so it's obviously not meant to help people catch their
trains :-)

It's a full barrier crossing, so the gates come down long before the
train arrives. I believe the crossing has to be visually declared
clear, and if it isn't, the train needs to have time to stop. So it's
going to be closed for a couple of minutes before your train is due.
Add in the possibility of another train coming the other way closing
the crossing even earlier, and it's clearly possible to be there in
plenty of time and still miss your train.

Why not have the bridge go diagonally across the level crossing so that
it really does link the two platforms?

Because that would need an enormous bridge, and would get in the way
of the crossing barriers. The bridge they've installed is a standard
design identical to the one at Greenhithe.

U

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Mr Thant wrote:
On 21 May, 11:58, David Cantrell wrote:
The barriers are most likely to be down when a train is very near the
station. By which time you will already be at the station if you have
any sense, so it's obviously not meant to help people catch their
trains :-)

It's a full barrier crossing, so the gates come down long before the
train arrives. I believe the crossing has to be visually declared
clear, and if it isn't, the train needs to have time to stop. So it's
going to be closed for a couple of minutes before your train is due.
Add in the possibility of another train coming the other way closing
the crossing even earlier, and it's clearly possible to be there in
plenty of time and still miss your train.

Why not have the bridge go diagonally across the level crossing so that
it really does link the two platforms?

Because that would need an enormous bridge, and would get in the way
of the crossing barriers. The bridge they've installed is a standard
design identical to the one at Greenhithe.

(As I'm sure you know!) the whole station is a standard design, like -
if not identical to - Greenhithe. And Corby.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On May 19, 3:22*pm, wrote:

Has there ever been a time in London when a station was opened for revenue
service, even though it was clearly unready for it?

It would not surprise me to find out that this happened several times.

St Paul's Thameslink? That opened before they'd covered the cut-and-
cover tunnel in which the final station was to be...

And what about the Heathrow Express temporary station? That was open
for less than a year IIRC...

In message
, at
12:31:58 on Wed, 21 May 2008, Rupert Candy
remarked:
And what about the Heathrow Express temporary station? That was open
for less than a year IIRC...

But that was *intended* to be temporary.
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Roland Perry