Using the tfl.gov.uk route planner with restrictions for passengers
who can't use stairs or escalators (but who can use the steps on a
bus) it routes a journey from the Holborn area by bus to Waterloo
station and then to Wimbledon station on the **National Rail network**

Obviously an Oyster card can be used on the first leg by bus but on
the second leg from Waterloo the tfl site adds notes at the side of
this leg saying "Zone(s): 1, 2, 3" does this mean that an Oyster
card could also be used on this part of the journey and if so would
this just be charged at the Zone 1,2,3 travelcard rate? (the journey
would be offpeak)

On the return journey from Wimbledon to Waterloo would there be a
problem with "touching in" (or out) ?


http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/6369.aspx says

London Overground now operates the following routes:

* Euston and Watford Junction
* Richmond to Stratford via Willesden Junction
* Barking to Gospel Oak
* Willesden Junction to Clapham Junction

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/oysteronline/5823.aspx

Oyster single fares are generally not available on National Rail
services in London. The only routes where pay as you go is valid a

* Amersham - Marylebone
* Finsbury Park - King's Cross/Moorgate
* Stratford - Liverpool Street
* Tottenham Hale/Seven Sisters - Stratford
* Upminster/Rainham (Essex) - Fenchurch Street/Liverpool Street
via Barking (but not at Forest Gate/Maryland)
* Walthamstow Central/Tottenham Hale/Seven Sisters - Liverpool
Street
* West Hampstead (Thameslink) - Moorgate/Elephant & Castle/London
Bridge
* West Ruislip - Marylebone
* Greenford/Ealing Broadway - London Paddington (but not at
intermediate stations)

None of which seem to overlap the Waterloo-Wimbledon area.


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On 20 May, 12:15, Mike wrote:
Obviously an Oyster card can be used on the first leg by bus but on
the second leg from Waterloo the tfl site adds notes at the side of
this leg *saying "Zone(s): 1, 2, 3" *does this mean that an Oyster
card could also be used on this part of the journey and if so would
this just be charged at the Zone 1,2,3 travelcard rate? * (the journey
would be offpeak)

The TfL Journey planner makes no account for whether Oyster PAYG is
valid or not on a particular service. The zones apply equally to
Travelcards (paper or seasons on Oyster) which are valid on these
services.

The latest map of routes where Oyster PAYG is valid is he
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...OysterPAYG.pdf

(which I've just noticed has been updated with the future First Great
Western rollout, and also shows the one train a day Stratford-Seven
Sisters)

U

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"Mike" wrote in message
...
Using the tfl.gov.uk route planner with restrictions for passengers
who can't use stairs or escalators (but who can use the steps on a
bus) it routes a journey from the Holborn area by bus to Waterloo
station and then to Wimbledon station on the **National Rail network**

Obviously an Oyster card can be used on the first leg by bus but on
the second leg from Waterloo the tfl site adds notes at the side of
this leg saying "Zone(s): 1, 2, 3" does this mean that an Oyster
card could also be used on this part of the journey and if so would
this just be charged at the Zone 1,2,3 travelcard rate? (the journey
would be offpeak)


PAYG is not available on SWT, but a season loaded on Oyster is.
I should think the TfL route planner is not accounting for Oyster PAYG
availability when deciding it's solution.

Paul S

On Tue, 20 May 2008 12:30:36 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

PAYG is not available on SWT, but a season loaded on Oyster is.
I should think the TfL route planner is not accounting for Oyster PAYG
availability when deciding it's solution.

....which is correct, isn't it, but they could add a note where PAYG
isn't available. They'll know the TOC, so three of them are easy.
Let's hope the message wouldn't need to be used for too much longer!

I've noticed that the zones displayed are a little odd. From Surbiton
to Waterloo, for instance, it says "6, 1" (no stops) or "6, 2, 1"
(stops at CLJ) for a fast train and "6, 3, 2, 1" for a semi-fast. A
little confusing for the users?

Richard.

"Paul Scott" wrote in message

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Using the tfl.gov.uk route planner with restrictions for passengers
who can't use stairs or escalators (but who can use the steps on a
bus) it routes a journey from the Holborn area by bus to Waterloo
station and then to Wimbledon station on the **National Rail
network** Obviously an Oyster card can be used on the first leg by
bus but on
the second leg from Waterloo the tfl site adds notes at the side of
this leg saying "Zone(s): 1, 2, 3" does this mean that an Oyster
card could also be used on this part of the journey and if so would
this just be charged at the Zone 1,2,3 travelcard rate? (the
journey would be offpeak)


PAYG is not available on SWT, but a season loaded on Oyster is.
I should think the TfL route planner is not accounting for Oyster PAYG
availability when deciding it's solution.

Even odder is when you go from Wimbledon to Farringdon. This can be done
using either LU or FCC, and you go through the same gates at each end.
Only the former is permitted with a PAYG Oyster card.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 04:29:35 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant wrote:

The latest map of routes where Oyster PAYG is valid is he
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_...OysterPAYG.pdf

(which I've just noticed has been updated with the future First Great
Western rollout, and also shows the one train a day Stratford-Seven
Sisters)

It's actually one train a week (Saturdays, 0528 Liverpool St - Enfield
Town).

Recliner wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote in message

Even odder is when you go from Wimbledon to Farringdon. This can be done
using either LU or FCC, and you go through the same gates at each end.
Only the former is permitted with a PAYG Oyster card.



Dont get me started on Farringdon.. Cant buy tickets to it from Bookham.
'Not allowed' But you can from Effingham and Leatherhead - the stations
one before and one after bookham. Can buy London Terminals which doesnt
work - penalty fare. Can't touch in at Wimbledon then out at Farringdon
and travel by FCC, Cant travel from Blackfriars to Farringson on PAYG...

Bizarrely you *can* travel past Farringon to St Pancras Int on a London
Terminals Ticket. You just cant get out at Farringdon.

Its beyond me.

mf

"Mystery Flyer" wrote in message
...

Dont get me started on Farringdon.. Cant buy tickets to it from Bookham.
'Not allowed' But you can from Effingham and Leatherhead - the stations
one before and one after bookham. Can buy London Terminals which doesnt
work - penalty fare. Can't touch in at Wimbledon then out at Farringdon
and travel by FCC, Cant travel from Blackfriars to Farringson on PAYG...

Bizarrely you *can* travel past Farringon to St Pancras Int on a London
Terminals Ticket. You just cant get out at Farringdon.

Its beyond me.


Blackfriars to Farringdon is ok for PAYG, and has been for quite a while.

However a ticket to 'London Terminals' shouldn't work at St Pancras Int from
the south - although that's not to say a mag stripe ticket might not work
there incorrectly if its been wrongly programmed.

There's a whole load of complicated rules about the Thameslink route and
London Terminals in the National Fares Manual, unfortunately it isn't
available on the web at the moment.

Paul

Paul Scott wrote:
"Mystery Flyer" wrote in message
...

Dont get me started on Farringdon.. Cant buy tickets to it from Bookham.
'Not allowed' But you can from Effingham and Leatherhead - the stations
one before and one after bookham. Can buy London Terminals which doesnt
work - penalty fare. Can't touch in at Wimbledon then out at Farringdon
and travel by FCC, Cant travel from Blackfriars to Farringson on PAYG...

Bizarrely you *can* travel past Farringon to St Pancras Int on a London
Terminals Ticket. You just cant get out at Farringdon.

Its beyond me.


Blackfriars to Farringdon is ok for PAYG, and has been for quite a while.


I should say 'if you want to stay on the train' - you cant get out, find
the reader, touch in, get back in at Blackfriars or indeed CTL in the
Rush hour.

That would seem to be what would be required - it would cause a
beuracratic delay to the journey

mf

On May 20, 10:13*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Mystery Flyer" wrote in message

...

Dont get me started on Farringdon.. Cant buy tickets to it from Bookham.
'Not allowed' But you can from Effingham and Leatherhead - the stations
one before and one after bookham. Can buy London Terminals which doesnt
work - penalty fare. Can't touch in at Wimbledon then out at Farringdon
and travel by FCC, Cant travel from Blackfriars to Farringson on PAYG...

Bizarrely you *can* travel past Farringon to St Pancras Int on a London
Terminals Ticket. You just cant get out at Farringdon.

Its beyond me.

Blackfriars to Farringdon is ok for PAYG, and has been for quite a while.

However a ticket to 'London Terminals' shouldn't work at St Pancras Int from
the south

It's gonna have to for people coming in from Kent, so maybe it does
already.



- although that's not to say a mag stripe ticket might not work
there incorrectly if its been wrongly programmed.

There's a whole load of complicated rules about the Thameslink route and
London Terminals in the National Fares Manual, unfortunately it isn't
available on the web at the moment.

Paul