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Paul Rigg wrote:

I seem to recall that the post office put second class mail up from 4d to
2.5p (ie 6d) and first class mail up from 5d to 3p (7.2d) and claimed that
it wasnt really a price increase.


I'm fairly sure the rates went to 6d and 7d before decimalisation, but
apparently after Christmas 1970. So not very long before.

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On 10 Jun, 07:33, Martin Edwards wrote:
John @ home wrote:
On Jun 9, 8:50 pm, 1506 wrote:
On Jun 9, 9:33 am, nessuno2001 wrote: Hello everybody,
do you know how much was a ticket for the London underground in the
early '60s?


In preparation for decimalisation in 1971, London Transport moved all
fares to be multiples of 6d, which had an exact conversion at 2.5p.
And they were one of the last organisations to make widespread use of
the half (new) penny before its abolition.


In doing this, they were one of the few large organisations to be
completely transparent about decimalisation. Most took the opportunity
to introduce a hidden price increase, even other nationalised
transport bodies. Scottish Omnibuses increased the fare from my home
town to the nearest city from 2s 3d (just over 11p) to 13p.


John


The day before the switch, the price of most beer was 3/- per pint. The
day of the switch, it was the equivalent price of 15p. The day after it
was 16p, a swingeing rise at the time, though it pales into
insignificance today.

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You were done - in affluent NW Hampshire beer averaged at 2/4d a pint
and went to 12p on decimalisation which equates to 28.8d. When I
started drinking about 12 years before D-Day I paid 1/3d pint for
Simmonds, 1/5d for Strongs and 1/6d for Marstons - that 3d difference
was a lot of money at those prices.
Pete Y
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Pete wrote:

When I started drinking about 12 years before D-Day I paid 1/3d pint
for Simmonds, 1/5d for Strongs and 1/6d for Marstons - that 3d
difference was a lot of money at those prices.


Yes, but you appear to have forgotten the convention for writing the
amounts down. It would be either "1s 3d" or "1/3". If one of your prices
had been 1s 4d, then the way you wrote them would have indicated a
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do you know how much was a ticket for the London underground in the
early '60s?


Not fully on-topic, but I remember pretty well that the price of the
first Milan Underground ticket (flat fare) in 1964 was 100 lire. This
was a huge difference with respect to normal bus and tram tickets
(single rides) which were 35 lire. And in fact one took the underground
only when strictly necessary ... I still remember taking a bus to school
from a place some 600 m from where I lived instead that 3 underground
stops (when raining, with good weather I walked).

In 1970 the prices were unified in the present "hourly tariff" (one
ticket for 60 minutes, as many changes as you like but only one trip on
the underground). Now it is one ticket for 75 minutes, and costs 1 euro.

In doing this, they were one of the few large organisations to be
completely transparent about decimalisation. Most took the opportunity
to introduce a hidden price increase,


We had a similar case with the introduction of the euro. Before that the
ticket costed 1500 lire. There were law disposition forbidding excessive
price increases with the transition lira-euro. Therefore ATM raised the
ticket from 1500 to 1900 lire on December 29. When two days later the
euro came, the "actual" increase was just from 1900 lire to 1936.27 lire
(1 euro).


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On 10 Jun., 10:11, Giovanni Drogo
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We had a similar case with the introduction of the euro. Before that the
ticket costed 1500 lire. There were law disposition forbidding excessive
price increases with the transition lira-euro. Therefore ATM raised the
ticket from 1500 to 1900 lire on December 29. When two days later the
euro came, the "actual" increase was just from 1900 lire to 1936.27 lire
(1 euro).


On the barcelona Metro there are signs saying things such as the
penalty for not having a cvaild ticket is 30 Euros and 5 cents. No
doubt the result of some very fair currency conversion.
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On the barcelona Metro there are signs saying things such as the
penalty for not having a cvaild ticket is 30 Euros and 5 cents. No
doubt the result of some very fair currency conversion.


I noticed that too, on a recent visit. Very odd.

Alan
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On Jun 9, 8:50 pm, 1506 wrote:
On Jun 9, 9:33 am, nessuno2001 wrote: Hello everybody,
do you know how much was a ticket for the London underground in the
early '60s?


In preparation for decimalisation in 1971, London Transport moved all
fares to be multiples of 6d, which had an exact conversion at 2.5p.
And they were one of the last organisations to make widespread use of
the half (new) penny before its abolition.

In doing this, they were one of the few large organisations to be
completely transparent about decimalisation. Most took the opportunity
to introduce a hidden price increase, even other nationalised
transport bodies. Scottish Omnibuses increased the fare from my home
town to the nearest city from 2s 3d (just over 11p) to 13p.

John


Part of the problem surely was the (UK) Ewe Kay's decision to
"decimalise" the Whole Pound, rather than what happened first in South
Africa, and later in Australia and New Zealand, where the "local
pound" was decimalised as the rand/Aussie-Kiwi dollar based on ten
shillings, i.e. "half a pound".

A "shilling" immediately became 10 cents, not 5p... six pence became 5
cents.

In the "dominions", the only awkward conversions involved the pennies
between one and four, and six and nine.

In NZ, the Decimal Currency Board (from memory!) had strict controls
on pricing guidelines when the switch was made on Monday 10 July 1967.

I personally prepared payroll for ~50 employees for payout on Tues 11
July '67... and had it paid out in cash with the "new" paper bills and
coinage.


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1506 wrote:
On Jun 9, 9:33 am, nessuno2001 wrote:
do you know how much was a ticket for the London underground in the
early '60s?

I found that a bus ticket for one stop was one and a half penny, and a
three-pence for about three or four stops in suburbs such as Edgware
or Stanmore. Is it right?


When I started work on Regent St in 1969 the Waterloo to Piccadilly
Circus fare was 3d. That would be just over 1p in currency or
USD0.02.

It cost twice as much to go from Waterloo to Oxford Circus, i.e. 6d of
2.5 new pence. That would be USD0.05 nowadays.

Soon after I started work there was a fare increase that doubled the
Waterloo to Piccadilly cost.


So that's 2.5p at a time when a postage stamp for a letter was about
the same.

Needless to say that I find the present day London fare to be
extortionate.


By the postage prices index we should be paying less than 50p for a
short hop. Hmm.

How much would it have been from Waterloo to Earl's Court? After all,
you can get that far for a minimum Z1 fare now.

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:50:58 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote:

On Jun 9, 9:33*am, nessuno2001 wrote:
Hello everybody,
do you know how much was a ticket for the London underground in the
early '60s?

I found that a bus ticket for one stop was one and a half penny, and a
three-pence for about three or four stops in suburbs such as Edgware
or Stanmore. Is it right?


You paid by the mile not the number of stops.


When I started work on Regent St in 1969 the Waterloo to Piccadilly
Circus fare was 3d. That would be just over 1p in currency or
USD0.02.

It cost twice as much to go from Waterloo to Oxford Circus, i.e. 6d of
2.5 new pence. That would be USD0.05 nowadays.

Soon after I started work there was a fare increase that doubled the
Waterloo to Piccadilly cost.

Needless to say that I find the present day London fare to be
extortionate.




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