On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:13:39 +0100, Michael Hoffman
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Scott wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:38:15 +0100, Michael Hoffman
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Scott wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:57:07 +0100, Michael Hoffman
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Scott wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:34:22 +0100, "tim....."
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"Scott" wrote in message
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:02:46 +0100, Michael Hoffman
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Scott wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:04:52 +0100, Michael Hoffman
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Scott wrote:

It's got nothing to do with residency, it's about whether or not the
ODTC +
return journey to the zone edge option will still exist. Unless
Oyster is
going to be rolled in the provinces then folks out there will still
need to
be able to buy this Travelcard option.

You mean to avoid paying for the same small section of the journey
twice. An interesting point that I had not thought of. But will the
discount that applies when an Oyser card is used balance this out?
No.
So how much is an Travelcard for zones 1-2 when purchased as an add-on
to an off-peak rail ticket?
There is no such thing. There are only out-boundary Travelcards.
There must be a price differential between (1) buying a ticket from a
place outside London to the London terminus and (2) buying a ticket
from the same place to Zones 1-2. That was the question. I do not
know all the terminology.
Actually, if you are stupid enough to buy a ticket to zone 1, the
differential is 8 pounds per return ticket.

If you buy a travel card, from my local station the extra costs is about
3.50 without a railcard or 2.30 with.

I am not sure what you are comparing with what here.

Taking a step back, you and Michael have made my point very well. I
am entirely disinterested in having to think about the intricacies of
ticketing theory before making a journey on public transport. I just
want to wave the blue card about and get on my way.
Go ahead and do so, you'll just pay a few more quid each day if you do
it that way. But please don't try to eliminate the option for those who
would prefer to save that money.
There are winners and losers in every change. Fares are set to
produce an intended level of revenue. Any zonal system distributes
the cost fairly crudely between users. There is no reason why Oyster
card should result in higher fares overall. It is just a matter of
setting the level of fares to produce the required revenue.

A clue here is in the name - Transport FOR London.
Travelcards are not a TfL-exclusive product.

Those living elsewhere just have to fit in.
Apparently, for now you are just going to have to fit in. Sorry if you
don't like it.

I am fitting in. I buy my ticket to London whether by train or plane
and use my Oyster card (which is brilliant by the way) when I get
there. I am perfectly happy.

I think other people should fit in and stop whingeing.

Who was whingeing? I'm happy to use the system the way it is. I'm not
the one who suggested that things be changed to suit me.

Those wanting to obstruct the use of Oyster by raising esoteric
objections.

I think that making Oyser available on the trains in the London area
would suit a large number of people as well as me. If rationalising
the ticket system helps drive this forward then I'm all for it.

I don't live in london BTW but I accept that it is reasonable that I
should get myself into London and use the benefits of the Oyster card
when I get there. I don't expect a £1.30 reduction in the price of my
ticket because I have an Oyster card that would cover the last 8
miles.