On Jul 4, 7:47*pm, "
wrote:
On Jul 4, 2:34 pm, MIG wrote:





On Jul 4, 7:09 pm, "
wrote:

On Jul 4, 9:45 am, MIG wrote:

On 4 Jul, 12:01, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

" typed

Another thing if i go from Heathrow central to wembley would the
oyster card know the difference if i want via rayners lane or
transferred to the jubilee via greenpark?

You could take a 140 bus from Heathrow to Harrow on the Hill and another
bus (223?) from Harrow to Wembley or take the Metropolitan Line, thus
avoiding central London. Unlike the Underground, the 140 bus also runs
through the night.

Alternatively, you could take the Picadilly Line from Heathrow to
Sudbury town, which is quite close to Wembley, and then get a 204 bus.

A single bus journey on Oyster is only 90p.

Where in Wembley are you going? There are several Wembley stations.

A 7 Zone 1-6 day Travelcard is unlikely to be good value for money
unless you plan to:

1) Regularly travel before 09.30
2) use National Rail a lot,
3) travel all the way from Zone1 to Zone 6 most days.

I'd be inclined to replace this with "A seven day 1 - 6 zone
travelcard is likely to be good value for money unless you never *..."

They really are hugely better value than any capping limit, even if
you only use them over five days.

I'm taking a flight from JFK to LHR with my girlfriend I want to go to
the hotel near Wembley Arena the flight arrives at 20 25 then the next
day we want to start using the 7 day card to explore London .-

In that case it might be best to get a seven-day zone 1 - 4 travelcard
on Oyster (for your explorations from Wembley), and on the same Oyster
card store enough Pay As You Go credit for your journeys between
Heathrow and the boundary of zone 4.

You will have to use the London Underground Piccadilly line for PAYG
to be valid.

If your total stay is more than seven days, it might be worth asking
for the travelcard to start in the morning and use Pay As You Go all
the way to Wembley on the first evening. *If the whole visit is not
more than seven days, this wouldn't help.

We arrive on a thursday evening and leave the follwing thurs we want
the zone 6 as i have been in london many times . Can you specify that
you want the 7 day to start fri when i buy it thurs night?-

Yes. It will be easiest to do it at the counter. Ask the clerk for
an Oyster card loaded with a seven-day travelcard starting the next
day (which will mean that you don't have to pay a £3 deposit for the
card itself) and ask for enough credit to be added for your first
journey to Wembley that evening (I am not sure what route it assumes,
with regard to your earlier question).

On Jul 4, 3:06 pm, MIG wrote:
On Jul 4, 7:47 pm, "
wrote:



On Jul 4, 2:34 pm, MIG wrote:

On Jul 4, 7:09 pm, "
wrote:

On Jul 4, 9:45 am, MIG wrote:

On 4 Jul, 12:01, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

" typed

Another thing if i go from Heathrow central to wembley would the
oyster card know the difference if i want via rayners lane or
transferred to the jubilee via greenpark?

You could take a 140 bus from Heathrow to Harrow on the Hill and another
bus (223?) from Harrow to Wembley or take the Metropolitan Line, thus
avoiding central London. Unlike the Underground, the 140 bus also runs
through the night.

Alternatively, you could take the Picadilly Line from Heathrow to
Sudbury town, which is quite close to Wembley, and then get a 204 bus.

A single bus journey on Oyster is only 90p.

Where in Wembley are you going? There are several Wembley stations.

A 7 Zone 1-6 day Travelcard is unlikely to be good value for money
unless you plan to:

1) Regularly travel before 09.30
2) use National Rail a lot,
3) travel all the way from Zone1 to Zone 6 most days.

I'd be inclined to replace this with "A seven day 1 - 6 zone
travelcard is likely to be good value for money unless you never ..."

They really are hugely better value than any capping limit, even if
you only use them over five days.

I'm taking a flight from JFK to LHR with my girlfriend I want to go to
the hotel near Wembley Arena the flight arrives at 20 25 then the next
day we want to start using the 7 day card to explore London .-

In that case it might be best to get a seven-day zone 1 - 4 travelcard
on Oyster (for your explorations from Wembley), and on the same Oyster
card store enough Pay As You Go credit for your journeys between
Heathrow and the boundary of zone 4.

You will have to use the London Underground Piccadilly line for PAYG
to be valid.

If your total stay is more than seven days, it might be worth asking
for the travelcard to start in the morning and use Pay As You Go all
the way to Wembley on the first evening. If the whole visit is not
more than seven days, this wouldn't help.

We arrive on a thursday evening and leave the follwing thurs we want
the zone 6 as i have been in london many times . Can you specify that
you want the 7 day to start fri when i buy it thurs night?-

Yes. It will be easiest to do it at the counter. Ask the clerk for
an Oyster card loaded with a seven-day travelcard starting the next
day (which will mean that you don't have to pay a £3 deposit for the
card itself) and ask for enough credit to be added for your first
journey to Wembley that evening (I am not sure what route it assumes,
with regard to your earlier question).

What will be the quickest route ?

On Jul 4, 8:48*pm, "
wrote:
On Jul 4, 3:06 pm, MIG wrote:





On Jul 4, 7:47 pm, "
wrote:

On Jul 4, 2:34 pm, MIG wrote:

On Jul 4, 7:09 pm, "
wrote:

On Jul 4, 9:45 am, MIG wrote:

On 4 Jul, 12:01, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

" typed

Another thing if i go from Heathrow central to wembley would the
oyster card know the difference if i want via rayners lane or
transferred to the jubilee via greenpark?

You could take a 140 bus from Heathrow to Harrow on the Hill and another
bus (223?) from Harrow to Wembley or take the Metropolitan Line, thus
avoiding central London. Unlike the Underground, the 140 bus also runs
through the night.

Alternatively, you could take the Picadilly Line from Heathrow to
Sudbury town, which is quite close to Wembley, and then get a 204 bus.

A single bus journey on Oyster is only 90p.

Where in Wembley are you going? There are several Wembley stations.

A 7 Zone 1-6 day Travelcard is unlikely to be good value for money
unless you plan to:

1) Regularly travel before 09.30
2) use National Rail a lot,
3) travel all the way from Zone1 to Zone 6 most days.

I'd be inclined to replace this with "A seven day 1 - 6 zone
travelcard is likely to be good value for money unless you never *..."

They really are hugely better value than any capping limit, even if
you only use them over five days.

I'm taking a flight from JFK to LHR with my girlfriend I want to go to
the hotel near Wembley Arena the flight arrives at 20 25 then the next
day we want to start using the 7 day card to explore London .-

In that case it might be best to get a seven-day zone 1 - 4 travelcard
on Oyster (for your explorations from Wembley), and on the same Oyster
card store enough Pay As You Go credit for your journeys between
Heathrow and the boundary of zone 4.

You will have to use the London Underground Piccadilly line for PAYG
to be valid.

If your total stay is more than seven days, it might be worth asking
for the travelcard to start in the morning and use Pay As You Go all
the way to Wembley on the first evening. *If the whole visit is not
more than seven days, this wouldn't help.

We arrive on a thursday evening and leave the follwing thurs we want
the zone 6 as i have been in london many times . Can you specify that
you want the 7 day to start fri when i buy it thurs night?-

Yes. *It will be easiest to do it at the counter. *Ask the clerk for
an Oyster card loaded with a seven-day travelcard starting the next
day (which will mean that you don't have to pay a £3 deposit for the
card itself) and ask for enough credit to be added for your first
journey to Wembley that evening (I am not sure what route it assumes,
with regard to your earlier question).

What will be the quickest route ?


I can't imagine doing anything but getting the Piccadilly Line to
Green Park and then the Jubilee to Wembley Park, because it's simplest
and least risky.

Believe it or not, the Journey Planner suggests getting the Piccadilly
to Acton Town, Change for Alperton and then bus 83 from Alperton to
Wembley.

I think that the Journey Planner gives the wrong level of precision
with this sort of thing, because it depends on buses running exactly
on time.

On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT), MIG
wrote:

On Jul 4, 8:48*pm, "
wrote:

What will be the quickest route ?

The real question is how encumbered you will be. If you will be laden
with luggage or not able to use stairs very well then it's not about
speed - it's about the convenience of interchange. Acton Town station
is being refurbished at present and it only has stairs and a bridge
between platforms from Heathrow and towards Alperton - not easy if
laden with luggage. Also make sure that trains will stop there - I'm
sure I read that on certain dates there is limited access at Acton Town.

I can't imagine doing anything but getting the Piccadilly Line to
Green Park and then the Jubilee to Wembley Park, because it's simplest
and least risky.

Yes but takes quite a long time and Green Park is one of the least
convenient interchanges on the system although there are lifts between
the Picc and Jubilee plus a long corridor!

Believe it or not, the Journey Planner suggests getting the Piccadilly
to Acton Town, Change for Alperton and then bus 83 from Alperton to
Wembley.

I think that the Journey Planner gives the wrong level of precision
with this sort of thing, because it depends on buses running exactly
on time.

Well yes and no. JP can overstate bus journey times because it has an
annoying habit of adding the headway to the journey time to give a
theoretical maximum time. It's a shame Heathrow has such poor links in
the Ealing direction by bus. An all bus alternative would be to take a
105 from Heathrow to its terminal in Greenford and wait at the same stop
for a 92 on to Wembley. It's doesn't reach Wembley Park but does go
through the middle of Wembley town centre.

I've made extensive use of the bus network on Sundays of later and have
got about pretty well but then I tend to use www.londonbusroutes.net for
really detailed timetable info.

Route 83 timetable here

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/lond...r=18&source=sp

Route 92 here

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/lond...r=18&source=sp

Route 105 here

http://www.firstgroup.com/ukbus/lond...r=18&source=sp

Both the 83 and 105 are 24 hour bus services so run right through the
night, every night. The 92 is every 12 minutes in the evening so not
bad at all and runs until midnight.

--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

In message
, at
13:00:28 on Fri, 4 Jul 2008, MIG remarked:
What will be the quickest route ?

I can't imagine doing anything but getting the Piccadilly Line to
Green Park and then the Jubilee to Wembley Park, because it's simplest
and least risky.

Believe it or not, the Journey Planner suggests getting the Piccadilly
to Acton Town, Change for Alperton and then bus 83 from Alperton to
Wembley.

I think that the Journey Planner gives the wrong level of precision
with this sort of thing, because it depends on buses running exactly
on time.

Realistically, the OP will be departing Heathrow at 22.00, and it's not
really the right time to be exploring exotic routes. However the fastest
route above seems to be an hour, versus an hour and a quarter via Green
Park. Looking at a map, going via central London is at least twice the
travelling distance!

Of course, some of this will depend on exactly where "near the arena"
the OP's hotel is. A bus might actually get him at least ten minutes
closer than a station+walk (and it's only a 1:3 guess that Wembley Park
is the closest station).
--
Roland Perry

On Jul 5, 8:30*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
13:00:28 on Fri, 4 Jul 2008, MIG remarked:

What will be the quickest route ?

I can't imagine doing anything but getting the Piccadilly Line to
Green Park and then the Jubilee to Wembley Park, because it's simplest
and least risky.

Believe it or not, the Journey Planner suggests getting the Piccadilly
to Acton Town, Change for Alperton and then bus 83 from Alperton to
Wembley.

I think that the Journey Planner gives the wrong level of precision
with this sort of thing, because it depends on buses running exactly
on time.

Realistically, the OP will be departing Heathrow at 22.00, and it's not
really the right time to be exploring exotic routes. However the fastest
route above seems to be an hour, versus an hour and a quarter via Green
Park. Looking at a map, going via central London is at least twice the
travelling distance!

Of course, some of this will depend on exactly where "near the arena"
the OP's hotel is. A bus might actually get him at least ten minutes
closer than a station+walk (and it's only a 1:3 guess that Wembley Park
is the closest station).


I was thinking that he will be on PAYG on the first evening, so a
single LU journey will also be cheaper.

In message
, at
01:41:12 on Sat, 5 Jul 2008, MIG remarked:
I was thinking that he will be on PAYG on the first evening, so a
single LU journey will also be cheaper.

If someone at the arse end of what's probably a $500 24hour journey at
midnight is worrying about whether the final hour and a half costs £1 or
£1.80, then I think we are wasting our time.

What I'd be looking at is which delivers me closest to the hotel.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry typed


In message
, at
01:41:12 on Sat, 5 Jul 2008, MIG remarked:
I was thinking that he will be on PAYG on the first evening, so a
single LU journey will also be cheaper.

If someone at the arse end of what's probably a $500 24hour journey at
midnight is worrying about whether the final hour and a half costs £1 or
£1.80, then I think we are wasting our time.

What I'd be looking at is which delivers me closest to the hotel.

If it were me I'd get a 140 to Harrow on the Hill and a cab from there...

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

On Jul 5, 1:47*am, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
01:41:12 on Sat, 5 Jul 2008, MIG remarked:

I was thinking that he will be on PAYG on the first evening, so a
single LU journey will also be cheaper.

If someone at the arse end of what's probably a $500 24hour journey at
midnight is worrying about whether the final hour and a half costs £1 or
£1.80, then I think we are wasting our time.

What I'd be looking at is which delivers me closest to the hotel.
--
Roland Perry


I decided To take the 105 92 combo it drops me half a block from the
hotel

Aloha all from Waikiki

On Jul 4, 3:06 pm, MIG wrote:
On Jul 4, 7:47 pm, "
wrote:



On Jul 4, 2:34 pm, MIG wrote:

On Jul 4, 7:09 pm, "
wrote:

On Jul 4, 9:45 am, MIG wrote:

On 4 Jul, 12:01, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

" typed

Another thing if i go from Heathrow central to wembley would the
oyster card know the difference if i want via rayners lane or
transferred to the jubilee via greenpark?

You could take a 140 bus from Heathrow to Harrow on the Hill and another
bus (223?) from Harrow to Wembley or take the Metropolitan Line, thus
avoiding central London. Unlike the Underground, the 140 bus also runs
through the night.

Alternatively, you could take the Picadilly Line from Heathrow to
Sudbury town, which is quite close to Wembley, and then get a 204 bus.

A single bus journey on Oyster is only 90p.

Where in Wembley are you going? There are several Wembley stations.

A 7 Zone 1-6 day Travelcard is unlikely to be good value for money
unless you plan to:

1) Regularly travel before 09.30
2) use National Rail a lot,
3) travel all the way from Zone1 to Zone 6 most days.

I'd be inclined to replace this with "A seven day 1 - 6 zone
travelcard is likely to be good value for money unless you never ..."

They really are hugely better value than any capping limit, even if
you only use them over five days.

I'm taking a flight from JFK to LHR with my girlfriend I want to go to
the hotel near Wembley Arena the flight arrives at 20 25 then the next
day we want to start using the 7 day card to explore London .-

In that case it might be best to get a seven-day zone 1 - 4 travelcard
on Oyster (for your explorations from Wembley), and on the same Oyster
card store enough Pay As You Go credit for your journeys between
Heathrow and the boundary of zone 4.

You will have to use the London Underground Piccadilly line for PAYG
to be valid.

If your total stay is more than seven days, it might be worth asking
for the travelcard to start in the morning and use Pay As You Go all
the way to Wembley on the first evening. If the whole visit is not
more than seven days, this wouldn't help.

We arrive on a thursday evening and leave the follwing thurs we want
the zone 6 as i have been in london many times . Can you specify that
you want the 7 day to start fri when i buy it thurs night?-

Yes. It will be easiest to do it at the counter. Ask the clerk for
an Oyster card loaded with a seven-day travelcard starting the next
day (which will mean that you don't have to pay a £3 deposit for the
card itself) and ask for enough credit to be added for your first
journey to Wembley that evening (I am not sure what route it assumes,
with regard to your earlier question).

what would 2 bus rides cost on oyster?