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Initial investigation into the London blackout revel the cause.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3096098.stm Wrong equipment caused blackout An incorrect piece of equipment caused the power cut which plunged much of London and the South East into darkness, according to a preliminary report by the National Grid. The report says it was the largest power cut from the National Grid for 10 years and the company expressed "its deep regret". About 1,600 trains were stopped and 60% of the London Underground network was closed, stranding 250,000 during the evening rush hour. Electricity was restored in 41 minutes and the outage affected 410,000 homes and businesses, according to the report. The company says a failed transformer at the Hurst substation near Bexley in Kent on 28 August, triggered the outage. Maintenance work National Grid switched the transformer out of service at 1820 BST and power was re-routed through other circuits so it could still flow. But within seven seconds another fault occurred which stopped the flow of electricity on a 275,000-volt underground cable between the New Cross and Wimbledon substations. There are usually two circuits operating between the substations but one was not functioning because of maintenance work. According to the report, the second fault occurred because automatic protection equipment shut off the power thinking there was a fault with the supply, because of the action taken to compensate for the defective transformer. The report adds that this occurred because "an incorrect protection relay was installed when old equipment was replaced in 2001". National Grid has so far checked 9,000 out of 45,000 other similar pieces of equipment across the network and found them to be working as normal. Blackout trends The remaining equipment will be checked within four weeks. But it added: "The incident on the areas of south London was exacerbated by the loss of supply to the [London] underground and railway services." It comes as the Department of Trade and Industry and energy regulator Ofgem said they will appoint specialist consultants to carry out initial fact-finding investigation into the blackout. The inquiry will also cover blackouts in the West Midlands last Friday and power failures in the last five years to see if any trends can be identified. |
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In message , Cast_Iron
writes According to the report, the second fault occurred because automatic protection equipment shut off the power thinking there was a fault with the supply, because of the action taken to compensate for the defective transformer. Finally! Confirmation that the two faults were indeed related. As some of us insisted (against solid opposition) from the start. -- Roland Perry |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:03:12 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , Cast_Iron writes According to the report, the second fault occurred because automatic protection equipment shut off the power thinking there was a fault with the supply, because of the action taken to compensate for the defective transformer. Finally! Confirmation that the two faults were indeed related. As some of us insisted (against solid opposition) from the start. Not quite true. You conveniently snipped the *real* reason, which was almost certainly human error. "According to the report, the second fault occurred because automatic protection equipment shut off the power thinking there was a fault with the supply, because of the action taken to compensate for the defective transformer. The report adds that this occurred because "an incorrect protection relay was installed when old equipment was replaced in 2001". The second 'fault' seems to have been a protection malfunction. The key phrase is perfectly clear and obvious, at least to anyone with a knowledge of the industry - "an incorrect protection relay was installed when old equipment was replaced in 2001". |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:11:48 +0100, Wanderer
wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:03:12 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , Cast_Iron writes According to the report, the second fault occurred because automatic protection equipment shut off the power thinking there was a fault with the supply, because of the action taken to compensate for the defective transformer. Finally! Confirmation that the two faults were indeed related. As some of us insisted (against solid opposition) from the start. Not quite true. You conveniently snipped the *real* reason, which was almost certainly human error. ... The key phrase is perfectly clear and obvious, at least to anyone with a knowledge of the industry - "an incorrect protection relay was installed when old equipment was replaced in 2001". But triggered by the first fault, no? If the first fault hadn't occured, neither would the second one (at that particular time). I guess it all depeneds on how you want to define the chain of cause-and-effect... Sam -- Sam Holloway, Cambridge www.samholloway.co.uk |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:17:25 +0100, Sam Holloway wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:11:48 +0100, Wanderer wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:03:12 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , Cast_Iron writes According to the report, the second fault occurred because automatic protection equipment shut off the power thinking there was a fault with the supply, because of the action taken to compensate for the defective transformer. Finally! Confirmation that the two faults were indeed related. As some of us insisted (against solid opposition) from the start. Not quite true. You conveniently snipped the *real* reason, which was almost certainly human error. ... The key phrase is perfectly clear and obvious, at least to anyone with a knowledge of the industry - "an incorrect protection relay was installed when old equipment was replaced in 2001". But triggered by the first fault, no? If the first fault hadn't occured, neither would the second one (at that particular time). I guess it all depeneds on how you want to define the chain of cause-and-effect... Or whether a member of the public would consider a protection malfunction to be a genuine fault, in quite the same way that they would seeing a bloody great hole blown in a cable or a transformer on fire. Certainly for the purposes of the National Fault reporting scheme it would be classed as a fault, but the implications in this particular case are quite far-reaching. If, in the final analysis it can be proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the outage happened because of negligence, which seems highly likely, then National Grid could be liable for substantial damages. Might be time to dispose of the shares... |
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In message , Wanderer
writes Finally! Confirmation that the two faults were indeed related. As some of us insisted (against solid opposition) from the start. Not quite true. You conveniently snipped the *real* reason, which was almost certainly human error. The *reason* for the second outage might have been human error [1], but the second outage was most definitely *caused* (ie triggered) by the first. It wasn't an "unrelated" incident. [1] Although you could argue that it was really caused by failure to implement a procedure that would have noticed and rectified that human error. -- Roland Perry |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:21:57 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , Wanderer writes Finally! Confirmation that the two faults were indeed related. As some of us insisted (against solid opposition) from the start. Not quite true. You conveniently snipped the *real* reason, which was almost certainly human error. The *reason* for the second outage might have been human error [1], but the second outage was most definitely *caused* (ie triggered) by the first. It wasn't an "unrelated" incident. I'll concede that point, but the discussions that were going on at the time were much more of the nature that one 'bang' caused another 'bang' because the circuits were overloaded. It seems *that* wasn't the case. [1] Although you could argue that it was really caused by failure to implement a procedure that would have noticed and rectified that human error. Yes. Knowing the very strict and thorough commisioning and testing procedures that once were enforced, one is left wondering whether corners have been cut since privatisation. |
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In message , Wanderer
writes The *reason* for the second outage might have been human error [1], but the second outage was most definitely *caused* (ie triggered) by the first. It wasn't an "unrelated" incident. I'll concede that point, but the discussions that were going on at the time were much more of the nature that one 'bang' caused another 'bang' because the circuits were overloaded. It seems *that* wasn't the case. No, the debate was about whether the second 'bang' was related to the first in *any* way shape or form. Lots of people insisted it wasn't. One possible failure mode would be that the first 'bang' caused the second circuit to overload, and cut out. If the actual failure mode is the first 'bang' causing the second circuit to *think* it's overloaded, and cut out, then the difference is entirely academic to those people sat in the ensuing darkness. -- Roland Perry |
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Wanderer wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:21:57 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , Wanderer writes Finally! Confirmation that the two faults were indeed related. As some of us insisted (against solid opposition) from the start. Not quite true. You conveniently snipped the *real* reason, which was almost certainly human error. The *reason* for the second outage might have been human error [1], but the second outage was most definitely *caused* (ie triggered) by the first. It wasn't an "unrelated" incident. On any interconnected system, the National Grid being a prime example, events are by definition related. This incident was caused by a classic very simple installation 'cock-up' made 2 years ago and not discovered or exposed since; system design, configuration and incident response were correct and supplies would have been securely maintained otherwise. The second outage (Wimbledon - New Cross 275kV circuit No.2) which caused the loss of supply was a 'phantom' overload trip, there was no equipment fault and total load was 33% of line rating. Overload detection relays, connected via 1,200:1 transformer, are rated 1Amp or 5Amp with a wide ranging multiplier, 5A was specified but 1A installed and through all the checks nobody spotted the error. This meant that tripping was initiated (time delay involved, irrelevant here) at 23% of rating and 20% of correct overload setting, so in the past 2 years this line can't have loaded above that level even at peak winter demand indicating the generous level of redunancy provided. It's accepted that when the system is being reconfigured, as it was after the first, potentially explosive, fault warning; there can be 5 to 10 mins 'switching time' when supply is via a single circuit. The risk of a second fault on that circuit during this time is estimated at 1:40,000 though that doesn't apply here with the system wrongly set-up. The engineers planning the switching could not have known the line would trip. [1] Although you could argue that it was really caused by failure to implement a procedure that would have noticed and rectified that human error. Yes. Knowing the very strict and thorough commisioning and testing procedures that once were enforced, one is left wondering whether corners have been cut since privatisation. They were carried out but I guess those engineers assumed they had been handed over correctly installed equipment and never thought to check the relay rating, pity they aren't brightly colour coded. Simulating real life faults is simply not possible or wise. Reading the full report my impression is of a well run and financed operation not obviously damaged by privatisation with London area investment running at £50m pa. Ironically the duplicate circuit, Wimbledon - New Cross No.1, is out from 1/7 to 28/9 for upgrade and refurb. Lessons have been, painfully, learnt and the relay error is not likely to happen again. All 45,000 are being checked (none found after 9,000). I would say the system is now secure, building extra lines would be very expensive. The LT loss of supply is rather laid on EDF, the London distribution operator, who chose to operate their Wimbledon 132kV Substation in a way that resulted in LT and others losing supply when the Grid was able to maintain the full load without interuption, and should have reconnected LT in a couple of mins at most. I get the impression there was only one engineer in their Control who didn't know what hit him... Source: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-file...on28082003.pdf |
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Roland Perry said:
The *reason* for the second outage might have been human error [1], but the second outage was most definitely *caused* (ie triggered) by the first. It wasn't an "unrelated" incident. [1] Although you could argue that it was really caused by failure to implement a procedure that would have noticed and rectified that human error. So much for redundancy as a method of protection. Doesn't anybody test these things? -- ============================================= Chris Game chrisgame@!yahoo!dotcodotuk ============================================= |
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