HE Elsom wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:38:18 +0100, Chris Shore
wrote:

"Duncan Wood" wrote in message
newsp.ud28exx5pmo3dt@lucy...

Generally I can survive away from home for more than 24hrs without nail
scissors & toothpaste is available in most of the world nowadays.

Indeed. Buy solid deodorant, tooth powder and solid shaving soap.

I got the "you are a terrorist" treatment with solid deodorant at
Newquay in April. They were also sniffy about used bars of soap and
solid shampoo, and a hoggs pudding (though they might have thought that
that was a biological warfare risk).

Regards,

Helen


Using an aeroplane to get to Newquay and back makes you little better
than one in my eyes. What about taking a train?

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:53:49 +0100, magwitch wrote:

Using an aeroplane to get to Newquay and back makes you little better
than one in my eyes. What about taking a train?

I have no money, the flight was free and it was important for me to see
someone there. I hope that meets your moral standards.

Regards,

Helen


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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:01:45 +0100, HE Elsom wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:53:49 +0100, magwitch wrote:

Using an aeroplane to get to Newquay and back makes you little better
than one in my eyes. What about taking a train?

I have no money, the flight was free and it was important for me to see
someone there. I hope that meets your moral standards.

No.

Now go and eat a bucket of organic free-range wholewheat tofu as penance.

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HE Elsom wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:53:49 +0100, magwitch wrote:

Using an aeroplane to get to Newquay and back makes you little better
than one in my eyes. What about taking a train?

I have no money, the flight was free and it was important for me to see
someone there. I hope that meets your moral standards.

Regards,

Helen


Nothing to do with morality... what's this free airline called then?

I know RyanAir were doing flights to Italy for £4 last summer, but
your's sounds a better deal.

PS. I've experienced having no money as well, we used to hitch.

HE Elsom wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:53:49 +0100, magwitch wrote:

Using an aeroplane to get to Newquay and back makes you little better
than one in my eyes. What about taking a train?

I have no money, the flight was free and it was important for me to see
someone there. I hope that meets your moral standards.

Look at it another way: the extra fuel burnt from the additional weight
of you and your baggage, since the plane was going to fly that route
anyway, was miniscule. You could probably offset it by growing a couple
of rows of carrots.

Not a point of view that's popular amongst eco-warriors, because it
reduces them to "*grumble* Shouldn't have a plane on that route anyway
*grumble, mumble*".

Jon
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On 14 Jul, 10:50, Jon Green wrote:
Using an aeroplane to get to Newquay and back makes you little better
than one in my eyes. What about taking a train?

I have no money, the flight was free and it was important for me to see
someone there. I hope that meets your moral standards.

Look at it another way: the extra fuel burnt from the additional weight
of you and your baggage, since the plane was going to fly that route
anyway, was miniscule. You could probably offset it by growing a couple
of rows of carrots.

Not a point of view that's popular amongst eco-warriors, because it
reduces them to "*grumble* Shouldn't have a plane on that route anyway
*grumble, mumble*".

OTOH her fare could have made the difference for the airline between
continuing the route and cancelling it as unprofitable.

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John B wrote:
On 14 Jul, 10:50, Jon Green wrote:
Not a point of view that's popular amongst eco-warriors, because it
reduces them to "*grumble* Shouldn't have a plane on that route anyway
*grumble, mumble*".

OTOH her fare could have made the difference for the airline between
continuing the route and cancelling it as unprofitable.

Yeah, and mistimed butterfly-wing flappage over Brazil has caused plane
crashes.

The Newquay route is a nice little earner for Ryanair. They've expanded
their service there since inception, due to popularity.

If you want to understand why, try lugging a 8'6" mini-mal glass fibre
board, in its carry-bag (plus a bag full of neoprene and clothes) around
a few trains, and through the London Underground system betweentimes.
If you find a way of getting the board undamaged down the escalators
without causing distress and injury to fellow travellers, do let me
know. Or, for a real laugh, take them on the bus instead.

The East Runton (Norfolk) surf's OK on the occasional days when there's
decent long-travel waves down the North Sea and no wind behind to
flatten them, but if you want to surf where it's warm (I surf Runton in
a 5mm suit even in summer!) and you can usually find surfable conditions
_somewhere_, then the West Country's beaches are the usual choice, and
the only practical ways to get there are car or plane.

Given the joys of the A30 and A39, I'd say that the plane is probably
the more green option, bizarrely enough.

Not that Helen's was a surfing trip AFAICT, but all the same...

Jon
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Jon Green wrote:
John B wrote:
On 14 Jul, 10:50, Jon Green wrote:
Not a point of view that's popular amongst eco-warriors, because it
reduces them to "*grumble* Shouldn't have a plane on that route anyway
*grumble, mumble*".

OTOH her fare could have made the difference for the airline between
continuing the route and cancelling it as unprofitable.

Yeah, and mistimed butterfly-wing flappage over Brazil has caused plane
crashes.

The Newquay route is a nice little earner for Ryanair. They've expanded
their service there since inception, due to popularity.

If you want to understand why, try lugging a 8'6" mini-mal glass fibre
board, in its carry-bag (plus a bag full of neoprene and clothes) around
a few trains, and through the London Underground system betweentimes. If
you find a way of getting the board undamaged down the escalators
without causing distress and injury to fellow travellers, do let me
know. Or, for a real laugh, take them on the bus instead.

Actually my last time in Newquay was circa 1977 and I took a 3x4'
Marshall amp and guitar case down there (play 3 chords and form a band)
as well as our luggage on the train. I can't remember it being a major
problem. In fact we chummed up with Bruce Foxton and his g/f from the
Jam on the train en-route.

The East Runton (Norfolk) surf's OK on the occasional days when there's
decent long-travel waves down the North Sea and no wind behind to
flatten them, but if you want to surf where it's warm (I surf Runton in
a 5mm suit even in summer!) and you can usually find surfable conditions
_somewhere_, then the West Country's beaches are the usual choice, and
the only practical ways to get there are car or plane.

Given the joys of the A30 and A39, I'd say that the plane is probably
the more green option, bizarrely enough.

You'd be wrong. Travelling in a group in a traditional surfers' combi
surf boards strapped to the roof is the style, whatever Jemima and her
friends bound for Rock for the hols might tell you.

Not that Helen's was a surfing trip AFAICT, but all the same...

Jon

On Jul 14, 12:52 pm, Jon Green wrote:
Not a point of view that's popular amongst eco-warriors, because it
reduces them to "*grumble* Shouldn't have a plane on that route anyway
*grumble, mumble*".

OTOH her fare could have made the difference for the airline between
continuing the route and cancelling it as unprofitable.

Yeah, and mistimed butterfly-wing flappage over Brazil has caused plane
crashes.

There is clearly a financial point where an airline decides whether to
curtail, keep as-is, or expand a route. I imagine this is based on
percentage margin; logically, there must be *some* individual fare
that takes the margin over the border line.

The Newquay route is a nice little earner for Ryanair. They've expanded
their service there since inception, due to popularity.

....precisely.

If you want to understand why, try lugging a 8'6" mini-mal glass fibre
board, in its carry-bag (plus a bag full of neoprene and clothes) around
a few trains, and through the London Underground system betweentimes.
If you find a way of getting the board undamaged down the escalators
without causing distress and injury to fellow travellers, do let me
know. Or, for a real laugh, take them on the bus instead.

Hmm. I've been to a few airports; I don't recall any of them being
places I'd like to lug a surfboard around. If I had a surfboard to
transport from the southeast/midlands to Cornwall, I'd go by car
(presumably your hypothetical surfer has access to a car, since
otherwise they'd have the same trouble with escalators, trains and
buses in getting to the airport in the first place).

Given the joys of the A30 and A39, I'd say that the plane is probably
the more green option, bizarrely enough.

Very sceptical that this could be the case even allowing for the poor
fuel consumption you'd get on those roads, assuming you're not driving
solo.

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john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

Jon Green wrote:
HE Elsom wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:53:49 +0100, magwitch wrote:

Using an aeroplane to get to Newquay and back makes you little better
than one in my eyes. What about taking a train?

I have no money, the flight was free and it was important for me to
see someone there. I hope that meets your moral standards.

Look at it another way: the extra fuel burnt from the additional weight
of you and your baggage, since the plane was going to fly that route
anyway, was miniscule. You could probably offset it by growing a couple
of rows of carrots.

Ever tried growing a couple of rows of carrots Jon?

Not a point of view that's popular amongst eco-warriors, because it
reduces them to "*grumble* Shouldn't have a plane on that route anyway
*grumble, mumble*".

Jon


All I can say is that during the '50s '60s and '70s people managed to
get to Devon or Cornwall for lovely holidays and the 4–6 hour car or
train journey was all part of the fun.

Just as the 5-day trip my college friend and I took down to Portugal to
stay with some family friends there. 30 years later, I remember
travelling through France and Spain in our clapped-out Hillman Frog-eye
Sprite far better than the ensuing 4 week holiday in Portugal itself.