On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 16 Aug, 14:48, (Steve Firth) wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/634.htm

I'm not sure who the Association of British Drivers are, so I'm not
sure how much to read into this.

It's hardly news. Anyone working in transport/telematics already knew
that Livingstone had issued an edict that the lights across London
were to be rephased to cause congestion prior to the introduction of
the congestion charge. In fact I stated this was what was happening
here at the time and had the usual cabal of ****wits and some who
should have known better screaming that it was a lie.

Road congestion is primarily caused by too many cars and if left to
its own devices would be self-limiting. Indeed it could even result in
a reduction of car travel as motorists get fed up with so many delays
they are themselves responsible for. Unfortunately, our road spaces
are allowed to be demand driven resulting in perpetual roadbuilding
and widening and tinkering to the detriment of the environment and
quality of life of many people.

What new roads have been built in London (inside the M25) over the last
(say) ten years Doug?

Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London where there isn't sufficient space available to
build new roads but M25 widening still seems to be ongoing? Over the
rest of UK there are loads of roads continually being built or
widened.

"Cost of Britain's road-building projects soars by almost £4bn

By Michael Savage
Saturday, 16 August 2008

Britain's road-building programme will cost the taxpayer billions of
pounds more than expected, with some major projects more than doubling
in price in five years, research indicates.

Figures compiled by the Campaign for Better Transport (CBT) pressure
group showed that 41 road projects which had been calculated to cost
£4.45bn will now cost taxpayers £8.12bn – a rise of almost 83 per
cent.

Critics blame the Highways Agency, maintaining that at the time the
projects were approved it made major errors in its calculation of
inflation and the likely costs of materials, labour and compensation
for homeowners. The study revealed that improvements to one stretch of
the A14 between Ellington and Fen Ditton in Cambridgeshire had risen
from an estimated £490m in 2003 to £1.2bn..."

Mo

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...bn-898981.html

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In article 5a4a808e-6952-481d-b554-3098a9ed7a79@
59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com, Doug says...

Why cherry pick London where there isn't sufficient space available to
build new roads but M25 widening still seems to be ongoing?

Where is this widening happening, Doug? I can't recall seeing any this
year.

Over the
rest of UK there are loads of roads continually being built or
widened.

Actually, only a few stretches of the M1 are, Doug.



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In article 5a4a808e-6952-481d-b554-3098a9ed7a79@
59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com, Doug says...

Why cherry pick London where there isn't sufficient space available to
build new roads but M25 widening still seems to be ongoing?

Where is this widening happening, Doug? I can't recall seeing any this
year.

Over the
rest of UK there are loads of roads continually being built or
widened.

Actually, only a few stretches of the M1 are, Doug.


Locally there has been quite a bit of "road building" in reality it equates
to less than half a mile of fixing crap junctions that were put in when the
roads were first built because they were the quick cheap option. (Removing on
DC roundabouts and adding the ability to exit another DC from the other side
of the road without going up to the next junction then round and back).
Despite the council referring to it as road building it doesn't fool any of
us. Other than that there are some small roads being built in new build
housing estates but that's not adding to capacity as they are all effectively
dead ends.

In message
, Doug
writes
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 16 Aug, 14:48, (Steve Firth) wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/634.htm

I'm not sure who the Association of British Drivers are, so I'm not
sure how much to read into this.

It's hardly news. Anyone working in transport/telematics already knew
that Livingstone had issued an edict that the lights across London
were to be rephased to cause congestion prior to the introduction of
the congestion charge. In fact I stated this was what was happening
here at the time and had the usual cabal of ****wits and some who
should have known better screaming that it was a lie.

Road congestion is primarily caused by too many cars and if left to
its own devices would be self-limiting. Indeed it could even result in
a reduction of car travel as motorists get fed up with so many delays
they are themselves responsible for. Unfortunately, our road spaces
are allowed to be demand driven resulting in perpetual roadbuilding
and widening and tinkering to the detriment of the environment and
quality of life of many people.

What new roads have been built in London (inside the M25) over the last
(say) ten years Doug?

Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London where there isn't sufficient space available to
build new roads but M25 widening still seems to be ongoing?

Since you claim to live in London, Brimmy was just inviting you to write
on what you know about (which, let's face it, isn't very much).

Over the
rest of UK there are loads of roads continually being built or
widened.

"Cost of Britain's road-building projects soars by almost £4bn

That was an article about cost over-runs of existing road projects
rather than a surge in new projects, Duhg.


--
Ed Banger

Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 16 Aug, 14:48, (Steve Firth) wrote:
John Rowland wrote:
http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/634.htm
I'm not sure who the Association of British Drivers are, so I'm not
sure how much to read into this.
It's hardly news. Anyone working in transport/telematics already knew
that Livingstone had issued an edict that the lights across London
were to be rephased to cause congestion prior to the introduction of
the congestion charge. In fact I stated this was what was happening
here at the time and had the usual cabal of ****wits and some who
should have known better screaming that it was a lie.
Road congestion is primarily caused by too many cars and if left to
its own devices would be self-limiting. Indeed it could even result in
a reduction of car travel as motorists get fed up with so many delays
they are themselves responsible for. Unfortunately, our road spaces
are allowed to be demand driven resulting in perpetual roadbuilding
and widening and tinkering to the detriment of the environment and
quality of life of many people.
What new roads have been built in London (inside the M25) over the last
(say) ten years Doug?

Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London

See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you some
kind of idiot?


--
John Wright

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You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

John Wright wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:

Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London

See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you some
kind of idiot?

A rhetorical question presumably?
(As that was. :-) )

Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:

Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London
See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you some
kind of idiot?

A rhetorical question presumably?
(As that was. :-) )

Indeed, a series of rhetorical questions in that I didn't expect any
response from Duhg on this.
--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone"
wrote:
Doug wrote:

Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London
See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you some
kind of idiot?

A rhetorical question presumably?
(As that was. :-) )

Indeed, a series of rhetorical questions in that I didn't expect any
response from Duhg on this.

Doug is very well suited to being a politician in the present system. He
invariably answers the question he would have liked to have been asked
rather than the one actually posed.

Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone"
wrote:
Doug wrote:
Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London
See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you some
kind of idiot?
A rhetorical question presumably?
(As that was. :-) )
Indeed, a series of rhetorical questions in that I didn't expect any
response from Duhg on this.

Doug is very well suited to being a politician in the present system. He
invariably answers the question he would have liked to have been asked
rather than the one actually posed.

Perhaps, but we do know he does not like the current system - not
authoritarian enough for him. (Does he understand words of 13 characters?)


--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone"
wrote:
Doug wrote:
Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London
See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you
some kind of idiot?
A rhetorical question presumably?
(As that was. :-) )
Indeed, a series of rhetorical questions in that I didn't expect any
response from Duhg on this.

Doug is very well suited to being a politician in the present
system. He invariably answers the question he would have liked to
have been asked rather than the one actually posed.

Perhaps, but we do know he does not like the current system - not
authoritarian enough for him.

Indeed, his authoritarian preferences can be seen when he's asked a question
he doesn't like and askes another.

(Does he understand words of 13
characters?)

It's not as short as "liar" so he might have difficulty with it.