Richard J. wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
(Steve Firth) wrote:

What new roads have been built in London (inside the M25) over the
last (say) ten years Doug?

I can name one:
"University Way" (part of the A206), which is inside the M25, but
which is not in London. The new-build part (which is now about ten
years old anyway) is in Dartford, Kent.
I am not aware of any other significant highway building inside the
M25 (whether inside or outside London) in the last 20 years, let
alone 10.
There are plenty of examples of Livingstonian road sabotage, though.
Witness the (former) A40 (M)

Westway? Looks much the same as it always was, apart from the lack of
lighting.

No longer subject to proper motorway regulations (purely in order to
bring it under Livingstone's control).

and the disgrace of the wrecking of the (very useful) short stretch of M41
at Shepherd's Bush.

In what sense has it been wrecked?

It was (part of) a motorway, six lanes and two hard shoulders.

Look at it now.

JNugent wrote:
Richard J. wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
(Steve Firth) wrote:

What new roads have been built in London (inside the M25) over the
last (say) ten years Doug?

I can name one:
"University Way" (part of the A206), which is inside the M25, but
which is not in London. The new-build part (which is now about ten
years old anyway) is in Dartford, Kent.
I am not aware of any other significant highway building inside the
M25 (whether inside or outside London) in the last 20 years, let
alone 10.
There are plenty of examples of Livingstonian road sabotage, though.
Witness the (former) A40 (M)

Westway? Looks much the same as it always was, apart from the lack
of lighting.

No longer subject to proper motorway regulations (purely in order to
bring it under Livingstone's control).

and the disgrace of the wrecking of the (very useful) short stretch
of M41 at Shepherd's Bush.

In what sense has it been wrecked?

It was (part of) a motorway, six lanes and two hard shoulders.

A motorway that went no where near any other and was a reminder of an
attempt to over ride the wishes of the population. The former A41(M) from
the Westway to Shepherd's Bush roundabout is, at most, threequarters of a
mile long.

Look at it now.

Redesignated to allow more people to use it and to gain greater benefit.

Brimstone wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
(Steve Firth) wrote:

What new roads have been built in London (inside the M25) over the
last (say) ten years Doug?

I can name one:
"University Way" (part of the A206), which is inside the M25, but
which is not in London. The new-build part (which is now about ten
years old anyway) is in Dartford, Kent.
I am not aware of any other significant highway building inside the
M25 (whether inside or outside London) in the last 20 years, let
alone 10.
There are plenty of examples of Livingstonian road sabotage, though.
Witness the (former) A40 (M)

Westway? Looks much the same as it always was, apart from the lack
of lighting.

No longer subject to proper motorway regulations (purely in order to
bring it under Livingstone's control).

and the disgrace of the wrecking of the (very useful) short stretch
of M41 at Shepherd's Bush.

In what sense has it been wrecked?

It was (part of) a motorway, six lanes and two hard shoulders.

A motorway that went no where near any other

....apart from the A40(M), you mean? It was also meant to connect with
what is now numbered M1, some miles to the north. And it was meant to
cross the Thames at Wandsworth.

and was a reminder of an
attempt to over ride the wishes of the population. The former A41(M) from
the Westway to Shepherd's Bush roundabout is, at most, threequarters of a
mile long.

Look at it now.

Redesignated to allow more people to use it and to gain greater benefit.

Gawd - you sound just like Doug. You only left out the word(?): "Hitlerian".

JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Richard J. wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
(Steve Firth) wrote:

What new roads have been built in London (inside the M25) over
the last (say) ten years Doug?

I can name one:
"University Way" (part of the A206), which is inside the M25, but
which is not in London. The new-build part (which is now about ten
years old anyway) is in Dartford, Kent.
I am not aware of any other significant highway building inside
the M25 (whether inside or outside London) in the last 20 years,
let alone 10.
There are plenty of examples of Livingstonian road sabotage,
though. Witness the (former) A40 (M)

Westway? Looks much the same as it always was, apart from the lack
of lighting.

No longer subject to proper motorway regulations (purely in order to
bring it under Livingstone's control).

and the disgrace of the wrecking of the (very useful) short
stretch of M41 at Shepherd's Bush.

In what sense has it been wrecked?

It was (part of) a motorway, six lanes and two hard shoulders.

A motorway that went no where near any other

...apart from the A40(M), you mean?

Although I didn't say so, I was referring to both of those roads.

It was also meant to connect with
what is now numbered M1, some miles to the north. And it was meant to
cross the Thames at Wandsworth.

Indeed. The population told the planners what to do with that scheme.

and was a reminder of an
attempt to over ride the wishes of the population. The former A41(M)
from the Westway to Shepherd's Bush roundabout is, at most,
threequarters of a mile long.

Look at it now.

Redesignated to allow more people to use it and to gain greater
benefit.

Gawd - you sound just like Doug. You only left out the word(?):
"Hitlerian".

Strange, I'd always got the impression that you were in favour of more
people being allowed to travel easily by road between various points in
London? Maybe I've misunderstood.

Brimstone wrote:

Strange, I'd always got the impression that you were in favour of more
people being allowed to travel easily by road between various points in
London? Maybe I've misunderstood.

That does not include allowing pedestrians, cyclists, horses-and-carts,
moped-riders and milk-floats to use motorways.

JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

Strange, I'd always got the impression that you were in favour of
more people being allowed to travel easily by road between various
points in London? Maybe I've misunderstood.

That does not include allowing pedestrians, cyclists,
horses-and-carts, moped-riders and milk-floats to use motorways.

Which motorway is such traffic allowed to use?

Brimstone wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

Strange, I'd always got the impression that you were in favour of
more people being allowed to travel easily by road between various
points in London? Maybe I've misunderstood.
That does not include allowing pedestrians, cyclists,
horses-and-carts, moped-riders and milk-floats to use motorways.

Which motorway is such traffic allowed to use?

Any motorway in Duhg world. Especially pedestrians and cyclists.
--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

Brimstone wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

Strange, I'd always got the impression that you were in favour of
more people being allowed to travel easily by road between various
points in London? Maybe I've misunderstood.

That does not include allowing pedestrians, cyclists,
horses-and-carts, moped-riders and milk-floats to use motorways.

Which motorway is such traffic allowed to use?

The former A40(M), M41 and A102(M) - or at least, the automatic motorway
restrictions no longer apply.

All achieved by stripping those roads of their motorway status and
handing them over to Mad Ken.

JNugent wrote:
Richard J. wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
(Steve Firth) wrote:

What new roads have been built in London (inside the M25) over the
last (say) ten years Doug?

I can name one:
"University Way" (part of the A206), which is inside the M25, but
which is not in London. The new-build part (which is now about ten
years old anyway) is in Dartford, Kent.
I am not aware of any other significant highway building inside the
M25 (whether inside or outside London) in the last 20 years, let
alone 10.
There are plenty of examples of Livingstonian road sabotage, though.
Witness the (former) A40 (M)

Westway? Looks much the same as it always was, apart from the lack
of lighting.

No longer subject to proper motorway regulations (purely in order to
bring it under Livingstone's control).

I'm not entirely convinced that it was ever a proper motorway, as the
relevant signs were blanked off many years before it became the A40, e.g.
the old "end of motorway" sign at the Edgware Road flyover. However, I
don't see that converting it from a motorway to an A road with restricted
access (no pedestrians for example) makes any practical difference as to how
useful it is.

and the disgrace of the wrecking of the (very useful) short stretch
of M41 at Shepherd's Bush.

In what sense has it been wrecked?

It was (part of) a motorway, six lanes and two hard shoulders.

Look at it now.

Since it's only half a mile long with a roundabout at each end, why would
you need six lanes? Even at an emotional level, I can't work up any concern
that it was the 6-lane M41 and is now the 4-lane A3220. It remains a useful
link with a quirky layout, as it's always been. To claim that it's been
wrecked is absurd.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Richard J. wrote:
JNugent wrote:
Richard J. wrote:

JNugent wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
(Steve Firth) wrote:
What new roads have been built in London (inside the M25) over the
last (say) ten years Doug?
I can name one:
"University Way" (part of the A206), which is inside the M25, but
which is not in London. The new-build part (which is now about ten
years old anyway) is in Dartford, Kent.
I am not aware of any other significant highway building inside the
M25 (whether inside or outside London) in the last 20 years, let
alone 10.
There are plenty of examples of Livingstonian road sabotage, though.
Witness the (former) A40 (M)
Westway? Looks much the same as it always was, apart from the lack
of lighting.
No longer subject to proper motorway regulations (purely in order to
bring it under Livingstone's control).

I'm not entirely convinced that it was ever a proper motorway, as the
relevant signs were blanked off many years before it became the A40, e.g.
the old "end of motorway" sign at the Edgware Road flyover. However, I
don't see that converting it from a motorway to an A road with restricted
access (no pedestrians for example) makes any practical difference as to how
useful it is.

and the disgrace of the wrecking of the (very useful) short stretch
of M41 at Shepherd's Bush.
In what sense has it been wrecked?
It was (part of) a motorway, six lanes and two hard shoulders.

Look at it now.

Since it's only half a mile long with a roundabout at each end, why would
you need six lanes? Even at an emotional level, I can't work up any concern
that it was the 6-lane M41 and is now the 4-lane A3220. It remains a useful
link with a quirky layout, as it's always been. To claim that it's been
wrecked is absurd.

The actual length is pretty irrelevant, you need to look at the flow
down the road.

--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin