Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:

Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London
See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you some
kind of idiot?

A rhetorical question presumably?
(As that was. :-) )

Indeed, a series of rhetorical questions in that I didn't expect any
response from Duhg on this.
--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone"
wrote:
Doug wrote:

Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London
See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you some
kind of idiot?

A rhetorical question presumably?
(As that was. :-) )

Indeed, a series of rhetorical questions in that I didn't expect any
response from Duhg on this.

Doug is very well suited to being a politician in the present system. He
invariably answers the question he would have liked to have been asked
rather than the one actually posed.

Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:45:29 on Sun,
17 Aug 2008, JNugent remarked:
I am not aware of any other significant highway building inside the
M25 (whether inside or outside London) in the last 20 years, let
alone 10.
If you expand the horizon to 20 years, then that brings into scope
the Limehouse Link (and obviously a whole bunch of local roads in
Docklands - but let's not get in a wrangle about how "significant"
they are). Also my 1988 map doesn't have the A12 extension through Leyton
down
to Stratford, but I forget exactly when that opened.

On the other side of London they widened the A40, including the
stretch past Hillingdon, in the early 90's (the slightly relocated
station opened in 1992).

And I expect some of the widening of the North Circular was still
taking place in that timeframe too.
If you allow 20 years theres the series of underpasses along the A40
which abolished (amongst others) the notorious Hanger Lane Gyratory
system. This went on at more or less the same time as the widening. I
think that's less than 20 years ago.

The Hanger Lane underpass long predates the gyratory which sits on top of
it. The underpass is shown on a very early 60s A-Z map of London.

Yes, you are right - my memory of this is faulty not having lived in the
area for some time.


--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone"
wrote:
Doug wrote:
Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London
See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you some
kind of idiot?
A rhetorical question presumably?
(As that was. :-) )
Indeed, a series of rhetorical questions in that I didn't expect any
response from Duhg on this.

Doug is very well suited to being a politician in the present system. He
invariably answers the question he would have liked to have been asked
rather than the one actually posed.

Perhaps, but we do know he does not like the current system - not
authoritarian enough for him. (Does he understand words of 13 characters?)


--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 17 Aug, 08:24, "Brimstone"
wrote:
Doug wrote:
Do wake up!

Why cherry pick London
See the thread title? And the groups this is posted to? Are you
some kind of idiot?
A rhetorical question presumably?
(As that was. :-) )
Indeed, a series of rhetorical questions in that I didn't expect any
response from Duhg on this.

Doug is very well suited to being a politician in the present
system. He invariably answers the question he would have liked to
have been asked rather than the one actually posed.

Perhaps, but we do know he does not like the current system - not
authoritarian enough for him.

Indeed, his authoritarian preferences can be seen when he's asked a question
he doesn't like and askes another.

(Does he understand words of 13
characters?)

It's not as short as "liar" so he might have difficulty with it.

John Rowland wrote:

If your message had no implications, perhaps you should reply "And?" to your
own messages rather than mine.

If you want to put words into someone else's mouth perhaps you should
learn ventriloquism and purchase a puppet.

"John Wright" wrote in message
...
John Rowland wrote:
Steve Firth wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:
Doug wrote:

Road congestion is primarily caused by too many cars and if left to
its own devices would be self-limiting.
The experience within Birmingham, when the entire traffic light
system failed, shows that if it were truly lef to its own devices
that the traffic would flow better than it does at present.
Where "traffic" doesn't include pedestrians or cyclists...
And?

You were implying traffic lights serve no useful purpose... if they enable
pedestrians to avoid getting run over, they serve a purpose, even if the
motor vehicles move better without them.

This implies we could abolish any traffic lights in places where there
aren't pedestrians and thus improve flow

Or have them all turned off until activated by a pedestrian.

John Wright wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:45:29 on Sun, 17
Aug 2008, JNugent remarked:
I am not aware of any other significant highway building inside the
M25 (whether inside or outside London) in the last 20 years, let
alone 10.

If you expand the horizon to 20 years, then that brings into scope the
Limehouse Link (and obviously a whole bunch of local roads in
Docklands - but let's not get in a wrangle about how "significant"
they are).

Also my 1988 map doesn't have the A12 extension through Leyton down to
Stratford, but I forget exactly when that opened.

On the other side of London they widened the A40, including the
stretch past Hillingdon, in the early 90's (the slightly relocated
station opened in 1992).

And I expect some of the widening of the North Circular was still
taking place in that timeframe too.

If you allow 20 years theres the series of underpasses along the A40
which abolished (amongst others) the notorious Hanger Lane Gyratory
system. This went on at more or less the same time as the widening. I
think that's less than 20 years ago.

The A40 underpass at Hanger Lane has been in place since the late 1960s.

JNugent wrote:
John Wright wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:45:29 on Sun,
17 Aug 2008, JNugent remarked:
I am not aware of any other significant highway building inside the
M25 (whether inside or outside London) in the last 20 years, let
alone 10.

If you expand the horizon to 20 years, then that brings into scope
the Limehouse Link (and obviously a whole bunch of local roads in
Docklands - but let's not get in a wrangle about how "significant"
they are).

Also my 1988 map doesn't have the A12 extension through Leyton down
to Stratford, but I forget exactly when that opened.

On the other side of London they widened the A40, including the
stretch past Hillingdon, in the early 90's (the slightly relocated
station opened in 1992).

And I expect some of the widening of the North Circular was still
taking place in that timeframe too.

If you allow 20 years theres the series of underpasses along the A40
which abolished (amongst others) the notorious Hanger Lane Gyratory
system. This went on at more or less the same time as the widening. I
think that's less than 20 years ago.

The A40 underpass at Hanger Lane has been in place since the late
1960s.

Late 1950s, or before. It's shown on a very early 1960s A-Z.

Steve Firth wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:
John Rowland wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:
Doug wrote:

Road congestion is primarily caused by too many cars and if left
to its own devices would be self-limiting.

The experience within Birmingham, when the entire traffic light
system failed, shows that if it were truly lef to its own devices
that the traffic would flow better than it does at present.

Where "traffic" doesn't include pedestrians or cyclists...

And?

You were implying traffic lights serve no useful purpose...

No I wasn't.

But you actually went on to say ...

the evidence is that traffic lights make things worse

So, if they make things worse, what do you think their useful purpose is?

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)