On 20 Aug, 06:20, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?

Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
future plans?

....which makes sense. It's a shame they haven't arranged for London
Midland to stop at Queens Park during the trial period, though.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On 20 Aug, 03:14, Charles Ellson wrote:
Yes, as I later mentioned in the main thread, I found that eventually
despite them cunningly omitting any mention of the phrase "North
London Line" thus partly hiding it from being Googled.

"North London Line" doesn't exist in official Overground terminology -
it's "Richmond-Stratford". And likewise for the other lines.

It would be
interesting to hear how well exposed any notices are on the NL/DC
lines having seen the words "There will be no refunds available on
existing tickets, season tickets or Travelcards.".

The posters are very common, but unfortunately say "major engineering
work that may disrupt your journey" (paraphrasing) rather than "a
huge chunk of the network will be closed". They also don't specify
details.

On 20 Aug, 08:08, John B wrote:
On 20 Aug, 06:20, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?

Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
future plans?

...which makes sense. It's a shame they haven't arranged for London
Midland to stop at Queens Park during the trial period, though.

London Midland is already severly overcrowded from Euston to Harrow.
Adding Queens Park (which is only a 45 minute walk from Euston anyway)
would mean leaving more people behind -- people who pay a hell of a
lot more for their ticket than a Z12 travelcard.

I suppose making Queens park and Harrow pick-up-only Northbound (in
the peaks) would free up enough space on the services.

On Aug 20, 8:08*am, John B wrote:
On 20 Aug, 06:20, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?

Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
future plans?

...which makes sense. It's a shame they haven't arranged for London
Midland to stop at Queens Park during the trial period, though.

Unless there were long term plans to do that, it would invalidate the
experiment.

Are there plans for the platform at Euston currently used by LO?
(They only seem to use one most of the time, although there are two
that they can use.)

On Aug 20, 8:43*am, Paul Weaver wrote:
On 20 Aug, 08:08, John B wrote:

On 20 Aug, 06:20, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?

Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
future plans?

...which makes sense. It's a shame they haven't arranged for London
Midland to stop at Queens Park during the trial period, though.

London Midland is already severly overcrowded from Euston to Harrow.
Adding Queens Park (which is only a 45 minute walk from Euston anyway)
would mean leaving more people behind -- people who pay a hell of a
lot more for their ticket than a Z12 travelcard.

I suppose making Queens park and Harrow pick-up-only Northbound (in
the peaks) would free up enough space on the services.

But it's been argued here that there is no need for services from
Euston to Queens Park, because people can change to/from the
(presumably empty, ha) Northern line at Chalk Farm, if they reopen
Primrose Hill.

I think it all relies on the assumption that people get used to
anything and put up with it.

On Aug 20, 8:43*am, Paul Weaver wrote:
On 20 Aug, 08:08, John B wrote:

On 20 Aug, 06:20, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?

Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
future plans?

...which makes sense. It's a shame they haven't arranged for London
Midland to stop at Queens Park during the trial period, though.

London Midland is already severly overcrowded from Euston to Harrow.
Adding Queens Park (which is only a 45 minute walk from Euston anyway)
would mean leaving more people behind -- people who pay a hell of a
lot more for their ticket than a Z12 travelcard.


Peak London Midland services are not severely overcrowded from Euston
to Harrow (maybe with the exception of the 4 car 19.04 departure in
the evening). Sure there are usually a few people standing, but the
doorways and aisles are not packed at all. Only this Monday, the 18.04
departure stopped additionally at Queens Park due to the Bakerloo line
(and DC line) having delays due to a signal failure at Willesden
Junction and it didn't get uncomfortably full after leaving Queens
Park. I very much doubt that anyone would get left behind at Euston.

A stop by London Midland wouldn't be just for Queens Park, but would
be for passengers connecting to stations between Queens Park and
Harrow. Of course, an alternative would be to have reopened Primrose
Hill, as this is only about a mile away

I suppose making Queens park and Harrow pick-up-only Northbound (in
the peaks) would free up enough space on the services.

How would that help, when at least 100 people get on (morning) or off
(evening) each trains at Harrow each day and there is no capacity for
them on the DC lines. As I said before, the Harrow stoppers are not
overcrowded. The more overcrowded services seem to be those that are
first stop Watford and then most stops to Milton Keynes.

On Aug 20, 8:43 am, Paul Weaver wrote:
London Midland is already severly overcrowded from Euston to Harrow.
Adding Queens Park (which is only a 45 minute walk from Euston anyway)
would mean leaving more people behind -- people who pay a hell of a
lot more for their ticket than a Z12 travelcard.

Really? Unless things have changed a lot since it was Silverlink
County, I'm sceptical - I've *never* seen a peak SC train that was
overcrowded. But maybe my experience commuting on the NLL has
permanently warped my understanding of what the term "overcrowded"
means when applied to a train.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Neil Williams wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:57:04 +0100, asdf
wrote:

I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?

Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
future plans?

Crikey. I hadn't thought of that. I can't decide if that's brilliant or
shocking.

Either way, the results will be interesting.

tom

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On Aug 20, 3:04*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Neil Williams wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:57:04 +0100, asdf
wrote:

I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?

Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
future plans?

Crikey. I hadn't thought of that. I can't decide if that's brilliant or
shocking.

Either way, the results will be interesting.

I doubt it. People will just put up with it and grumble among
themselves.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, MIG wrote:

On Aug 20, 3:04*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Neil Williams wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:57:04 +0100, asdf
wrote:

I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?

Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
future plans?

Crikey. I hadn't thought of that. I can't decide if that's brilliant or
shocking.

Either way, the results will be interesting.

I doubt it. People will just put up with it and grumble among
themselves.

Doubtless. But the alternative routes they take will be telling. The
Bakerloo-to-Watford theory rests on the idea that people from up the DC
line can get to their final destinations easily enough via the Bakerloo
line and its interchanges. If we see loads of people struggling through to
Euston by bus, Northern line, etc, that will contradict that. I think.

tom

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