MIG wrote:
On Sep 4, 12:08 pm, martin wrote:

It mentions a new 0930-1600 off-peak period. I'm guessing that off-
peak picks up again after 1900, but there's no mention of this.

Another question is whether your off-peak day Travelcard will be
valid after 1600 - or will there be two markedly different off-peak
periods, depending on how you're paying?

Depends if 'off peak' paper travelcards are affected at all doesn't it? I
suspect this is a PAYG feature only, otherwise there would have to be an
'off peak minimum cash fare' but they say it is frozen at £4.00 - though
you'd have to say the press release isn't explicit enough...

While I'd imagine tourists arriving at Heathrow in the middle of the
day will be happy about being able to save £1.60, I suspect everyone
else will be totally baffled.

This is what PAYG does already - does it baffle people now that higher fares
are charged between 0700 and 1900?

It also doesn't say if it's the start time of the journey or the end
time of the journey or both that determine the fare charged.

I'm sure it's been established before that on PAYG it is the start time that
defines the fare charged.

Paul S

On Sep 4, 7:52*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
MIG wrote:
On Sep 4, 12:08 pm, martin wrote:
It mentions a new 0930-1600 off-peak period. I'm guessing that off-
peak picks up again after 1900, but there's no mention of this.

Another question is whether your off-peak day Travelcard will be
valid after 1600 - or will there be two markedly different off-peak
periods, depending on how you're paying?

Depends if 'off peak' paper travelcards are affected at all doesn't it? I
suspect this is a PAYG feature only, otherwise there would have to be an
'off peak minimum cash fare' but they say it is frozen at £4.00 - though
you'd have to say the press release isn't explicit enough...

While I'd imagine tourists arriving at Heathrow in the middle of the
day will be happy about being able to save £1.60, I suspect everyone
else will be totally baffled.

This is what PAYG does already - does it baffle people now that higher fares
are charged between 0700 and 1900?

It also doesn't say if it's the start time of the journey or the end
time of the journey or both that determine the fare charged.

I'm sure it's been established before that on PAYG it is the start time that
defines the fare charged.

That's what I'd put my money on, but it doesn't say. For readers of
the press release not familiar with forums like this, it ought to.

On 4 Sep, 20:17, MIG wrote:
On Sep 4, 7:52*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:





MIG wrote:
On Sep 4, 12:08 pm, martin wrote:
It mentions a new 0930-1600 off-peak period. I'm guessing that off-
peak picks up again after 1900, but there's no mention of this.

Another question is whether your off-peak day Travelcard will be
valid after 1600 - or will there be two markedly different off-peak
periods, depending on how you're paying?

Depends if 'off peak' paper travelcards are affected at all doesn't it? I
suspect this is a PAYG feature only, otherwise there would have to be an
'off peak minimum cash fare' but they say it is frozen at £4.00 - though
you'd have to say the press release isn't explicit enough...

While I'd imagine tourists arriving at Heathrow in the middle of the
day will be happy about being able to save £1.60, I suspect everyone
else will be totally baffled.

This is what PAYG does already - does it baffle people now that higher fares
are charged between 0700 and 1900?

It also doesn't say if it's the start time of the journey or the end
time of the journey or both that determine the fare charged.

I'm sure it's been established before that on PAYG it is the start time that
defines the fare charged.

That's what I'd put my money on, but it doesn't say. *For readers of
the press release not familiar with forums like this, it ought to.- Hide quoted text -

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Does an evening peak on the underground now suggest that in time TOCs
can apply a similar peak level of fares on national rail services
inside the zones in the afternoon. We could then see an afternoon
restriction on tubes and trains for off-peak travelcards. This would
then remove the anomalies of off-peak tickets being valid in the
evening peak to zone 6 stations but not beyond from Liverpool Street,
Kings Cross etc.

However, it doesn't simplify matters at all. If an afternoon peak
applied to the off-peak one day travelcard, it would also have to
apply to passengers travelling in from outside zone 6 (as people
arriving in London between 4pm and 7pm wouldn't be able to travel
beyond their terminal station). This would all but kill off any
chance of anyone having a evening out in London if they are not
already there.

Jonathan

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However, it doesn't simplify matters at all. If an afternoon peak
applied to the off-peak one day travelcard, it would also have to
apply to passengers travelling in from outside zone 6 (as people
arriving in London between 4pm and 7pm wouldn't be able to travel
beyond their terminal station). This would all but kill off any
chance of anyone having a evening out in London if they are not
already there.

I suspect existing paper travelcard conditions will remain largely
unchanged, unless individual operators take the FCC policy. I don't think
there is an equivalent (other than via PAYG capping) of the one day
travelcard on Oyster, so the issue won't arise there. Isn't there a
precedent for this with oyster peak charging on London Overground between
Euston and Watford? I know that for Clapham Junction to Watford there are
times when it's cheaper to buy a paper ticket from Southern (with a gold
card discount) than use PAYG.

D A Stocks