"darkprince66" wrote in message
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On Sep 15, 4:34 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Don't think anyone has mentioned the reduced scope of the NLL
improvements,
basically the 4 tracking will not go as far as Camden Rd due to the state
of
the out of use bridges.

This reduces the Stratford - Camden Rd service frequency in the off peak,
as
there is no longer a centre turnback.

Details on the ORR site here, including track diagrams:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...808-annexa.pdf

Paul S

Just a thought, couldn't someone repair the bridges, or failing that,
replace them?

I didn't link to the covering letter before, but it's fairly clear that it's
repairing the bridges that is unaffordable:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...let-110808.pdf

Paul S

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:38:21 -0700 (PDT), Jamie Thompson
wrote:

As an aside, does anyone know why they seem to be keeping a unit in
the platforms at Euston during the week? It seems such a waste of a
platform and the only possible justification #I can think of is
keeping it there in case things go tits up and they need to be able to
run a service from Euston to Watford...

I have wondered that. Given that LM do not use the platform, I
thought it might be to demonstrate that the service is not
operating...

(Incidentally, loadings on LM are not noticeably higher than they were
in June prior to the summer holiday season - I assume everyone's
headed for the Bakerloo?)

Neil

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In article ,
Paul Scott wrote:
Ah yes, I hadn't spotted that they were running to Euston on Sundays.
I can see how stoppng LM services at Queens Park would be affected by
paths, but I wonder how Sundays are so different for LO/Bakerloo.

Why are they running to EUS on Sunday?

That's exactly what 'MIG' originally asked a few posts ago. It's
timetabled, but no one has said for sure why it can be on Sundays, but
not on weekdays. It must be that there are only so many paths from
Camden Junction to Queens Park, and the Stratford services use them
all. As there are less Stratfords on Sun, and possibly less freight?,
presumably they can add back a Euston or two...

As I understand it, it's shortage of rolling stock which needs the Euston
trains to go to Stratford. With fewer trains on a Sunday there are some
available to go to Euston.

--
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On Sep 15, 10:24*pm, wrote:
In article ,
* *Paul Scott wrote:

Ah yes, I hadn't spotted that they were running to Euston on Sundays.
I can see how stoppng LM services at Queens Park would be affected by
paths, but I wonder how Sundays are so different for LO/Bakerloo.

Why are they running to EUS on Sunday?
That's exactly what 'MIG' originally asked a few posts ago. It's
timetabled, but no one has said for sure why it can be on Sundays, but
not on weekdays. It must be that there are only so many paths from
Camden Junction to Queens Park, and the Stratford services use them
all. As there are less Stratfords on Sun, and possibly less freight?,
presumably they can add back a Euston or two...

As I understand it, it's shortage of rolling stock which needs the Euston
trains to go to Stratford. With fewer trains on a Sunday there are some
available to go to Euston.


I don't think it is lack of rolling stock, as there are sufficient
units spare (for starters, all three class 508s are available) to run
at least a Euston - Willesden Jcn shuttle. However, there would be a
probably be a lack of paths between Queens Park and Willesden Junction
due to the increased Bakerloo service at least during the peaks.

On Sep 15, 11:05*pm, Andy wrote:
On Sep 15, 10:24*pm, wrote:





In article ,
* *Paul Scott wrote:

Ah yes, I hadn't spotted that they were running to Euston on Sundays.
I can see how stoppng LM services at Queens Park would be affected by
paths, but I wonder how Sundays are so different for LO/Bakerloo.

Why are they running to EUS on Sunday?
That's exactly what 'MIG' originally asked a few posts ago. It's
timetabled, but no one has said for sure why it can be on Sundays, but
not on weekdays. It must be that there are only so many paths from
Camden Junction to Queens Park, and the Stratford services use them
all. As there are less Stratfords on Sun, and possibly less freight?,
presumably they can add back a Euston or two...

As I understand it, it's shortage of rolling stock which needs the Euston
trains to go to Stratford. With fewer trains on a Sunday there are some
available to go to Euston.

I don't think it is lack of rolling stock, as there are sufficient
units spare (for starters, all three class 508s are available) to run
at least a Euston - Willesden Jcn shuttle. However, there would be a
probably be a lack of paths between Queens Park and Willesden Junction
due to the increased Bakerloo service at least during the peaks.-

I was just gonna say, presumably the 508s can't be used for any
services other than into Euston, and with so many lines closed, there
can't be a shortage.

On 15 Sep, 21:07, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"darkprince66" wrote:

On Sep 15, 4:34 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Don't think anyone has mentioned the reduced scope of the NLL
improvements, basically the 4 tracking will not go as far as
Camden Rd due to the state of the out of use bridges.

This reduces the Stratford - Camden Rd service frequency in the
off peak as there is no longer a centre turnback.

Details on the ORR site here, including track diagrams:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...808-annexa.pdf


Just a thought, couldn't someone repair the bridges, or failing that,
replace them?

I didn't link to the covering letter before, but it's fairly clear that it's
repairing the bridges that is unaffordable:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...let-110808.pdf


One initial cynical thought that crossed my mind was 'is this a Boris
budget cutback?' It would however appear not - after the bridge
repairs were costed they appear seem have come in higher than
expected, so it seems the bridges were more knackered that originally
thought. One wonders whether the old Mayoral administration might
somehow have rustled up the money - but given the TfL budget squeeze
courtesy of Crossrail it is perhaps doubtful. (I haven't checked the
TfL board papers lately for any discussion of this - the late and
lamented London Connections blog used to do a good job in providing
executive summaries of said minutes for idle folk such as I!)

Nonetheless it's a bit of a shame - the NLL is very well patronised
all day long, especially between Stratford and Highbury & Islington -
this reduction in promised frequency makes it a bit less of a turn-up-
and-go Metro service. Still, it could still happen one day if the
demand continues to remain strong or indeed grow, and - crucially -
someone can find some cash for it.

On Sep 16, 12:27*am, Mizter T wrote:

One initial cynical thought that crossed my mind was 'is this a Boris
budget cutback?' It would however appear not - after the bridge
repairs were costed they appear seem have come in higher than
expected, so it seems the bridges were more knackered that originally
thought. One wonders whether the old Mayoral administration might
somehow have rustled up the money - but given the TfL budget squeeze
courtesy of Crossrail it is perhaps doubtful. (I haven't checked the
TfL board papers lately for any discussion of this - the late and
lamented London Connections blog used to do a good job in providing
executive summaries of said minutes for idle folk such as I!)

The last TfL board meeting was held on the 30th July 2008. Then
holidays broke out. The next board meeting is the 30th September 2008.
Having picked up the baton from U Thant we will be covering the
meeting in

http://londonreconnections.blogspot.com/

Not quadrupling through Camden Rd will create a very nasty pinch
point. As soon as trains get west of Camden Rd they are effectively on
four track anyway (2 via Gospel Oak and 2 via Primrose Hill). With it
also effectively going to be 4 tracks east of Dalston (2 to New Cross
and 2 to Stratford) what is needed is 4 tracks between Dalston and
Camden Rd. This is going to remove a lot of pathways for freight and
non LOROL trains from the NLL.

Also I do not like it in the article where as an excuse it says "The
work would also cause major highway disruption in the congested Camden
area." Is this another case of private transport before public
transport? There was major long term disruption in the Paddington area
when the bridge on Bishops Bridge Road was replaced. Also I believe
that Carpenters Road in Stratford is closed. That must be causing
"major highway disruption" as well.

With all the infrastructure project cuts by Boris. When will it be
announced that the funding for ELL phase 2 will not have a chance.

I know this is a political comment, but is Boris going to be known as
the Mayor who did nothing? If this is what the Tories are doing to
public transport in London, what will the Tories do nationally if they
get into power?

"somersetchris" wrote in message
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Not quadrupling through Camden Rd will create a very nasty pinch
point. As soon as trains get west of Camden Rd they are effectively on
four track anyway (2 via Gospel Oak and 2 via Primrose Hill). With it
also effectively going to be 4 tracks east of Dalston (2 to New Cross
and 2 to Stratford) what is needed is 4 tracks between Dalston and
Camden Rd. This is going to remove a lot of pathways for freight and
non LOROL trains from the NLL.

At least for the time being ELLX trains will terminate at Dalston Junction
or Highbury & Islington. The NLL itself will be 2-track from Stratford to
Camden Road, with up and down Goods Loops between Highbury & Islington West
and Camden Road East.

Peter

somersetchris wrote:
Not quadrupling through Camden Rd will create a very nasty pinch
point. As soon as trains get west of Camden Rd they are effectively on
four track anyway (2 via Gospel Oak and 2 via Primrose Hill). With it
also effectively going to be 4 tracks east of Dalston (2 to New Cross
and 2 to Stratford) what is needed is 4 tracks between Dalston and
Camden Rd. This is going to remove a lot of pathways for freight and
non LOROL trains from the NLL.

There would still have been a 2 track junction (pinch point) at the west end
of Camden Rd anyway.

If you read all the articles on the ORR site you'll see NR firmly believe
all the usable freight paths are still available, because for the odd few
hours when the Stratford - Camden half hourly service will still run it
coincides with peaks on the GE and WCML slows, which prevent the freight
running onto and off the NLL anyway...

Paul