On 16 Sep, 22:17, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

Through to Gatwick would have been nice, but the "round the side"
train coming back up to MK is a wonderful piece of news.

....though not quite as good as I thought as it doesn't run in the
peak.

Neil

On Sep 17, 12:39 pm, Neil Williams wrote:
On 16 Sep, 22:17, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

Through to Gatwick would have been nice, but the "round the side"
train coming back up to MK is a wonderful piece of news.

...though not quite as good as I thought as it doesn't run in the
peak.

Neil

And a rail-only season ticket MKC-London won't be valid south of
Harrow, without buying a Willesden-Clapham ticket before joining the
train.

Neil Williams wrote:
On 16 Sep, 22:17, (Neil Williams)
wrote:

Through to Gatwick would have been nice, but the "round the side"
train coming back up to MK is a wonderful piece of news.

...though not quite as good as I thought as it doesn't run in the
peak.

Have you seen the number of stops?!

It's slower than changing trains! It's quicker even to travel most of
the way from MK to EC, change trains at Clapham Junction and get a fast
train from there to EC.

Wonder if it will be popular?


SN
First and standard class
Milton Keynes Central
11:13
Bletchley
11:17a
11:17d
Leighton Buzzard
11:24a
11:24d
Tring
11:34a
11:34d
Berkhamsted
11:39a
11:39d
Hemel Hempstead
11:43a
11:43d
Watford Junction
11:51a
11:51d
Harrow And Wealdstone
11:59a
11:59d
Shepherds Bush
12:19a
12:19d
Kensington (Olympia)
12:22a
12:22d
West Brompton
12:25a
12:25d
Clapham Junction
12:33a
12:34d
Wandsworth Common
12:37a
12:37d
Balham
12:40a
12:40d
Streatham Common
12:45a
12:45d
Norbury
12:48a
12:48d
Thornton Heath
12:51a
12:51d
Selhurst
12:53a
12:54d
East Croydon
12:57a
Train terminates at East Croydon

On 17 Sep, 15:35, Paul Weaver wrote:
And a rail-only season ticket MKC-London won't be valid south of
Harrow, without buying a Willesden-Clapham ticket before joining the
train.

Doesn't matter, I have R1256.

Neil

On 17 Sep, 15:47, chunkyoldcortina wrote:

It's slower than changing trains!

If the connection works. If it doesn't, you're immediately an hour
later.

I suspect many will choose it over changing at Watford. Via London is
different as frequencies are far higher, but that's slower anyway and
hassle if you're going to, say, Gatwick with bags.

Neil

On 17 Sep, 15:53, Neil Williams wrote:
On 17 Sep, 15:47, chunkyoldcortina wrote:

It's slower than changing trains!

If the connection works. *If it doesn't, you're immediately an hour
later.

I suspect many will choose it over changing at Watford. *Via London is
different as frequencies are far higher, but that's slower anyway and
hassle if you're going to, say, Gatwick with bags.

Neil

I'm not getting any through journeys on theTrainline quick timetable
for Olympia to Milton Keynes. (NRE hasn't got anything yet.)

I was wondering if this was because it was quicker to change. But
you'd still be changing to something that stopped at Watford Junction.

On 17 Sep, 16:19, MIG wrote:

I'm not getting any through journeys on theTrainline quick timetable
for Olympia to Milton Keynes. *(NRE hasn't got anything yet.)

They're on NXEC.

I was wondering if this was because it was quicker to change. *But
you'd still be changing to something that stopped at Watford Junction.

If you don't put a via in, NXEC sends you via London in the new TT.
This is probably because VT will be doing Watford *or* MK but not
both, so there is no longer a fast service to Watford most of the
time.

Neil

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On 17 Sep, 15:47, chunkyoldcortina wrote:

It's slower than changing trains!

If the connection works. If it doesn't, you're immediately an hour
later.

From Milton Keynes to East Croydon it's 8 minutes quicker than the nearest
equivalent in the current timetable:
Milton Keynes d1113
Watford Junc a1154
(change)
Watford Junc d1211
East Croydon a1307
It looks as though the current hanging about at Clapham Junction (to ensure
a path on to the Down Slow, and then across to the Down Fast at Balham) will
disappear.
Peter

On 17 Sep, 15:35, Paul Weaver wrote:

(snip)

And a rail-only season ticket MKC-London won't be valid south of
Harrow, without buying a Willesden-Clapham ticket before joining the
train.


But would one actually need a Harrow & Wealdstone to Clapham Junction
ticket? This particular case does seem somewhat ambiguous - we know
that it's legit to combine a season ticket with a normal single or
return even when a train doesn't stop at a particular station, the
question here is whether the MKC to East Croydon via WLL service even
counts for these purposes as passing through Willesden Junction - the
geographic is that it doesn't pass through any platforms at Willesden
Junction and in fact uses the lines on the south side of the WCML
which are the furthest away from WJ station.

If one was to change at H&W onto a DC lines train to Willesden
Junction, then change there on to a WLL train to Clapham Junction then
this would unambiguously only require a WJ to CJ ticket - but I'm
interested in what the situation is with regards to the through
Southern service that doesn't stop or indeed even go through Willesden
Junction station.

On 17 Sep, 17:16, "Peter Masson" wrote:

"Neil Williams" wrote:

On 17 Sep, 15:47, chunkyoldcortina wrote:

It's slower than changing trains!

If the connection works. *If it doesn't, you're immediately an hour
later.

From Milton Keynes to East Croydon it's 8 minutes quicker than the nearest
equivalent in the current timetable:
Milton Keynes d1113
Watford Junc * a1154
* * * * * * * * * * * (change)
Watford Junc * d1211
East Croydon * a1307
It looks as though the current hanging about at Clapham Junction (to ensure
a path on to the Down Slow, and then across to the Down Fast at Balham) will
disappear.
Peter


Because it's not going to swap on to the Fast line whatsoever, right?