John B wrote:
On 6 Oct, 16:27, Boltar wrote:
No drivers will still operate on their allotted lines, any
attempt to change this arrangement and introduce an element of
flexibility would have to be negotiated with the unions,

Why? Surely you're just paid to drive trains , not quibble about
where FFS. As long as you're trained on the stock and taxis are
provided to/ from home late/early in the day whats the problem?

Is the commute in your proposal part of the working day?

Huh?

If you live in Upminster, book on in Upminster, but are suddenly told
your new booking-on point is Heathrow, do the extra three hours you're
spending getting to Heathrow and back every shift get classed as part
of your working day? If not, then it's not too hard to see why it
might make people grumpy.

Er... if you lived in Upminster and book-on at Upminster, you'd (probably)
be a D stock driver. So you'd hardly be asked to book-on at Heathrow, as
there is no District Line depot at that end of the Piccadilly Line!
However pedantry aside, I do take your point...

In the Upminster example provided, I would consider a small taxi journey
reasonable enough; Upminster to Barking or East Ham say, but not Ealing
Common or Neasden. But common sense needs to work both ways and
LUL management shouldn't be expecting drivers to book-on at such distant
places in the first place.

In the Upminster example provided, I would consider a small taxi journey
reasonable enough; Upminster to Barking or East Ham say, but not Ealing
Common or Neasden. But common sense needs to work both ways and
LUL management shouldn't be expecting drivers to book-on at such distant
places in the first place.

I wonder if this can be solved by defining a group of primary depot
and several secondary depots/stations nearby for every train operator.
Like: Upminster/Barking/East Ham, Edgware Road/Earls Court/High Street
Kensington, etc.

On Oct 6, 4:44 pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
08:27:07 on Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Boltar remarked:

Why? Surely you're just paid to drive trains , not quibble about where
FFS. As long as you're trained on the stock and taxis are provided to/
from home late/early in the day whats the problem?

Is the commute in your proposal part of the working day?

Huh?

A free taxi is one thing, but riding in it in your own time is another.

Well, see in the real world commuting isn't part of the working day.
My working day starts at 9am. That means I have to be at my desk at
9am , not getting out of bed at 9am. The commuting is something I have
to do to get to work. I'm sorry if the poor darlings at LU have an
issue with having to do the same but it seems to me thats a case of
tough ****.

B2003

On Oct 6, 4:35 pm, John B wrote:
If you live in Upminster, book on in Upminster, but are suddenly told
your new booking-on point is Heathrow, do the extra three hours you're
spending getting to Heathrow and back every shift get classed as part
of your working day? If not, then it's not too hard to see why it
might make people grumpy.

So they have to travel around the M25 at 4 in the morning when theres
bugger all traffic? So what? Besides, I think its highly unlikely that
would happen anyway but I don't see why a driver booking on at
upminster shouldn't be expected to drive to amersham if the job
requires it. But then this is LU Driver World we're talking about, not
the real world. Anyone would think they were being asked to drive a
train to john o groats , not the other side of a city.

B2003

On Oct 6, 6:56 pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
How commute can be a part of the working day???

Quite easily if you are not working in your base location.

There are a number of people on this group who seriously need a
reality check.

B2003

Boltar wrote:
On Oct 6, 4:44 pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
,
at 08:27:07 on Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Boltar
remarked:

Why? Surely you're just paid to drive trains , not quibble about
where FFS. As long as you're trained on the stock and taxis are
provided to/ from home late/early in the day whats the problem?

Is the commute in your proposal part of the working day?

Huh?

A free taxi is one thing, but riding in it in your own time is
another.

Well, see in the real world commuting isn't part of the working day.
My working day starts at 9am. That means I have to be at my desk at
9am , not getting out of bed at 9am. The commuting is something I have
to do to get to work. I'm sorry if the poor darlings at LU have an
issue with having to do the same but it seems to me thats a case of
tough ****.

In the real world you know your place of work when you choose where to live
and vice versa. If your company has a habit of finishing your shift all over
the city, you would normally be on paid time until you get back to your
normal place of work (but not back to your house).

"John Rowland" gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

In the real world you know your place of work when you choose where to
live and vice versa.

True, but it can and does change - either short-term or long-term.

If your company has a habit of finishing your shift all over the city,
you would normally be on paid time until you get back to your normal
place of work (but not back to your house).

Ha. Yeh, right...

Meanwhile, here in the real world, employers relocate. They move jobs to
different sites. You work on customer's sites.

In message
, at
02:43:48 on Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Boltar remarked:
Why? Surely you're just paid to drive trains , not quibble about where
FFS. As long as you're trained on the stock and taxis are provided to/
from home late/early in the day whats the problem?

Is the commute in your proposal part of the working day?

Huh?

A free taxi is one thing, but riding in it in your own time is another.

Well, see in the real world commuting isn't part of the working day.
My working day starts at 9am. That means I have to be at my desk at
9am , not getting out of bed at 9am. The commuting is something I have
to do to get to work. I'm sorry if the poor darlings at LU have an
issue with having to do the same but it seems to me thats a case of
tough ****.

That's fine when you took a job at a specific premises. But when your
employer suddenly says you'll be working from somewhere else, then
relocation or transport options are normally provided.
--
Roland Perry

On Oct 7, 11:12 am, "John Rowland"
wrote:
In the real world you know your place of work when you choose where to live
and vice versa.

Total ********. In the real world unless you're being head hunted you
take whatever job comes your way and if it means travelling for an
hour or 2 to get there thats tough luck.

If your company has a habit of finishing your shift all over
the city, you would normally be on paid time until you get back to your
normal place of work (but not back to your house).

If the drivers don't like moving around the place perhaps they should
have considered getting a desk job.

B2003

On Oct 7, 11:43 am, Roland Perry wrote:
That's fine when you took a job at a specific premises. But when your
employer suddenly says you'll be working from somewhere else, then
relocation or transport options are normally provided.

You think truck drivers get relocation expenses if they're asked to
deliver to manchester one day instead of birmingham? Or if a pilot has
to fly to hong kong instead of dubai? Get real. Any job in the
transport industry involves travelling , if they don't like it they
should bog off and get another sort of job.

B2003