Shame they went with the GN link to St Pancras option rather than the
tunnel to Bermondsey. That would probably have given a far greater
benefit (i.e. 48 tph through central London), with less need for the
works at London Bridge (if Thameslink stopped serving London Bridge
and just ran down to East Croydon via Herne Hill), not to mention the
reduction in route pollution.

I've just submitted an e-mail about the sensationalist language on the
site. I know there's a tendency to 'dumb down', but I find the tone
rather insulting:

"This is a useful site, but why do you have to use such a childish and
hyperbolic writing style: 'We know this will come as a shock', 'Take a
deep breath' and 'Brace yourself'?

Do you really think your passengers are so thick that they need this
sort of introduction to information? I think that your passenger
surveys would find that most travellers understand more than Primary
School English. I find it rather insulting - even The Sun doesn't
(yet) use this sort of language!

I would appreciate hearing from you, preferably in adult English. I'm
clinging to the edge of my seat. Speed your reply to me to save my
bacon."

I'll let you know if I hear anything from them :-)

Kev wrote:
On Oct 19, 11:04 am, Rupert Candy wrote:
Like many on these groups, I try not to believe any transport project
is actually happening "until they start digging". So, having been
away for a week or so, I was gratified to notice several signs that
"Thameslink 2000" (or whatever they're calling it these days) might
actually happen. They've started piling at the southern end of
Blackfriars railway bridge (by the old bridge supports) - presumably
for the second river crossing - and there are hoardings at Farringdon
by the north end footbridge, though no signs of actual construction
yet. I also noticed a stripy eye-catching "Thameslink Project"
information stand at Moorgate - currently empty, but presumably will
soon hold "You're not getting any Thameslink trains any more"
leaflets...

I think that you naive attitude to how a project is implemented then.
Now wonder there are many scew ups when people think that all that is
involved in implementing a project is to "dig holes".
Of course you can cut corners and just face the consequences when it
all goes belly up.

But if you spend forever planning, nothing even happens. Though no doubt
the people of Leeds and Gosport will be laughing when the major cities
of France and Spain sink into a hell brought about by their so-hasty
construction of all those tram projects....

Once holes are being dug there is a chance something might actually
happen. Important though it may be, while we are still at the stage of
assessing the impact of the project on the one-legged Welsh lesbian
community, or re-announcing the same project to the local papers for the
eighth time, things seem a very long way off.

A while ago I was talking to someone who was involved in designing
stations for Crossrail. Can they dust-off the models of the previous
plan in the museum at Acton depot, I asked. "Models, what models?"

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In article
,
() wrote:

I've just submitted an e-mail about the sensationalist language on the
site. I know there's a tendency to 'dumb down', but I find the tone
rather insulting:

"This is a useful site, but why do you have to use such a childish and
hyperbolic writing style: 'We know this will come as a shock', 'Take a
deep breath' and 'Brace yourself'?

Do you really think your passengers are so thick that they need this
sort of introduction to information? I think that your passenger
surveys would find that most travellers understand more than Primary
School English. I find it rather insulting - even The Sun doesn't
(yet) use this sort of language!

I would appreciate hearing from you, preferably in adult English. I'm
clinging to the edge of my seat. Speed your reply to me to save my
bacon."

I'll let you know if I hear anything from them :-)

I saw a leaflet tonight. It's got so many colours on it I wondered if they
decided they wanted bright colours on it, couldn't agree which ones to
use, so decided to use them all. It's like a colour sampler with every
colour on.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

As commented a few months ago, the direct link to St Pancras has been
long-awaited...
--

What is that tunnel that goes off to the right, just north of SPI?

In message , at 22:08:14 on Thu, 23
Oct 2008, remarked:
As commented a few months ago, the direct link to St Pancras has been
long-awaited...

What is that tunnel that goes off to the right, just north of SPI?

That's the future link to the ECML. Luton's already on the Midland
Mainline.
--
Roland Perry

On Oct 20, 11:37*pm, wrote:

I saw a leaflet tonight. It's got so many colours on it I wondered if they
decided they wanted bright colours on it, couldn't agree which ones to
use, so decided to use them all.


You wait until the 319 (well rumoured to be two 319s) appears in that
scheme.

--
Nick

wrote:

I saw a leaflet tonight. It's got so many colours on it I wondered if
they decided they wanted bright colours on it, couldn't agree which
ones to use, so decided to use them all. It's like a colour sampler
with every colour on.

A metaphor for their "choice" of branches in South London?

On Oct 24, 9:46*pm, D7666 wrote:
On Oct 20, 11:37*pm, wrote:

I saw a leaflet tonight. It's got so many colours on it I wondered if they
decided they wanted bright colours on it, couldn't agree which ones to
use, so decided to use them all.

You wait until the 319 (well rumoured to be two 319s) appears in that
scheme.

Ah, it'll coordinate beautifully with the pink and purple interior.
Assuming they ever get round to pink-and-purplising the 319/0s'
interiors...

On 20 Oct, 11:30, D7666 wrote:
On Oct 20, 12:11 pm, Roland Perry wrote:



In message
, at
04:06:19 on Mon, 20 Oct 2008, D7666 remarked:

I won't believe it's finished until I
can get a through train from Cambridge to Gatwick - one of the original

I am now of the opinion you won't.

Even though they completed the tunnelling into SPILL I have alwys been
sceptical about connecting up GN to it.

They are going to all this trouble of re-arranging appoaches to
Blackfriars and south/east thereof to avoid as far as possible
conflicting moves to make 24 TPH in the core work, and then build a
new junction across which every move will conflict right *in* the
core ?!?!?!?

Is it a flat junction? I thought the northbound line tunnelled under.

--
Roland Perry

Each switch forms a flat junction on both roads - even if there is no
crossing by tunnelling.

When running 24 TPH you don't really want any points at all.

Don't forget these are long 12 car trains running into or out of the
SPILL station stop - and all trains will stop - they ain't going to be
high speed across the convergence point.

Take the Jubilee line now (before resgignalling). That is planned 24
TPH in the peaks, with trains half that length, and it barely works.
Now put in a new junction at say London Bridge, right off the end of
platforms of one of the busiest core stations, even with a dive/fly to
avoid a crossing, but nonetheless convergence points on both west and
eastbound roads. *You reckon 24 TPH would still work ?

It works with the Munich S-Bahn. However, they do have double sided
platforms.

One of the problems with the Jubilee is some stations are quite quick
(Waterloo East) and others are slow because of passenger volumes
(Canary Wharf, LB, Waterloo).

How will the spread be on Thameslink?


--
Nick

--
Nick