On Oct 30, 10:13 pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
Though it does reflect the de-facto usage of one-day Travelcards, as
it is almost impossible to enforce their non-transfer.

I always used to use my other halfs season ticket oyster if she didn't
need it that day. Why shouldn't they be transfered? The money has been
paid for a service for X days, end of story. If you hire out a video
you don't expect Blockbuster or whoever to try and enforce a rule
whereby only the person who rented it can watch it so I see no reason
why season tickets should be any different. Luckily LU have all but
dispensed with photocards which makes the process a lot easier.

B2003

On 31 Oct, 12:41, Boltar wrote:
Why shouldn't they be transfered? The money has been
paid for a service for X days, end of story.

But how much service have you paid for? TfL define it as "as much
usage as one person can make of the card in one month", and you're
defining it as "as much usage as whoever has the card can make in one
month". Given the latter is higher than the former, you clearly are
getting more service than you've paid for, at least according to the
terms.

(yes, this is a very ephemeral argument, but given the service they're
selling has a marginal cost per passenger of essentially zero, any
pricing scheme is going to be ephemeral and artificial)

U

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:41:46 -0700 (PDT), Boltar
wrote:

I always used to use my other halfs season ticket oyster if she didn't
need it that day. Why shouldn't they be transfered?

There is the other side of it, which is that if I forget my rail
season ticket, I can have the purchase of the necessary return ticket
refunded up to twice a year, and I can have it replaced for a nominal
fare if lost/stolen. This wouldn't be possible with a transferrable
season ticket, as someone could entirely validly be using it[1], and
so another could be effectively obtained fraudulently.

The answer is to do as the Germans do, and offer the choice of
non-transferrable with that option, and transferrable without it.
Perhaps a slightly higher price could be charged for transferrable
tickets.

For weekly bus tickets costing 11 quid, this isn't a big issue. For
an annual season costing thousands, it's a massive issue if you lost
the ability to have another issued for an admin fee if it was lost or
stolen.

[1] This could be where Oyster comes in, as the old one could be
blocked, so this might still be possible.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Having failed to find the answer to my question on the TfL website I posted
a question there and *then* noticed that they say it may take up to seven
days (seven working days maybe) to get an answer. That was on 30th October.

I then posted the same question here (below) and had three answers within
the hour.

I have just had a reply from TfL - a mere 18 days (13 working days) later.

There's nothing like a prompt & efficient servive, and this ...

Stephen


"Stephen Osborn" wrote in message
...
Sorry if this has been covered before but I searched & could not find it.

I have an Oyster PAYG and have friends staying with me for the weekend.
They live way out of London and so it does not make sense for them to get
Oyster cards. When we travel on the bus together can I use my Oyster card
to pay for them as well?

On the TFL site it says that you can share an Oyster card if it has pay as
you go with Auto top-up, however I don't have Auto top-up and that answer
does not make it clear that multiple people can share teh card at the same
time.

Also on the TFL site it says that you can lend your Oyster card for
visitors to anyone when you are not using. That implies that two people
cannot use it at the same time but does not make it clear if the
restriction only applies to Oyster card for visitors or to all Oyster
cards.


Many thanks

Stephen

In article ,
(Stephen Osborn) wrote:

Having failed to find the answer to my question on the TfL website
I posted a question there and *then* noticed that they say it may
take up to seven days (seven working days maybe) to get an answer.
That was on 30th October.

I then posted the same question here (below) and had three answers
within the hour.

I have just had a reply from TfL - a mere 18 days (13 working days)
later.

There's nothing like a prompt & efficient servive, and this ...

and the answer was?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Stephen Osborn) wrote:

Having failed to find the answer to my question on the TfL website
I posted a question there and *then* noticed that they say it may
take up to seven days (seven working days maybe) to get an answer.
That was on 30th October.

I then posted the same question here (below) and had three answers
within the hour.

I have just had a reply from TfL - a mere 18 days (13 working days)
later.

There's nothing like a prompt & efficient servive, and this ...

and the answer was?

Oh, sorry I thought that was obvious.

They said the same as I was told here, namely that a PAYG Oyster can be
shared but that multiple people cannot use it at *the same time*.

regards

Stephen

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Stephen Osborn) wrote:

wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Stephen Osborn) wrote:

Having failed to find the answer to my question on the TfL website
I posted a question there and *then* noticed that they say it may
take up to seven days (seven working days maybe) to get an answer.
That was on 30th October.

I then posted the same question here (below) and had three answers
within the hour.

I have just had a reply from TfL - a mere 18 days (13 working days)
later.

There's nothing like a prompt & efficient servive, and this ...

and the answer was?

Oh, sorry I thought that was obvious.

They said the same as I was told here, namely that a PAYG Oyster
can be shared but that multiple people cannot use it at *the same
time*.

Oh, OK, a statement of the bleeding obvious then.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 16:19:30 on
Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Stephen Osborn
remarked:
I have just had a reply from TfL - a mere 18 days (13 working days) later.

There's nothing like a prompt & efficient servive, and this ...

Which reminds me, I haven't had a reply from them about my complaint
regarding the lack of Oyster facilities at LHR-123 station.
--
Roland Perry

On 19 Nov, 13:01, Roland Perry wrote:
Which reminds me, I haven't had a reply from them about my complaint
regarding the lack of Oyster facilities at LHR-123 station.

I got mine today:

"I'm sorry to hear that you had a difficult experience and I can
appreciate how frustrating it must have been for you.

I have spoken with the senior station manager about this issue and he
has confirmed that the closures were in place in prepartion for the
planned escalator replacment work due to start early next year. The
trial was carried out to see how the station would cope with the loss
of one up and one down escalator and also to test the remaining
escalators operating in the wrong direction.

We were aware before the trial started that without the installation
of additional Oyster readers there may have been some issues with
customer being unable to touch in or touch out. However, there wasn't
really anyway around it. The trial had to take place and the
installation of new Oyster readers would have taken up to 10 weeks.
Therefore it was not possible to install them for the trial but they
will be in place when the actual works start next year.

I hope you find this information helpful and I'm sorry for the
problems you experienced"

U

In message
, at
02:57:01 on Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Mr Thant
remarked:
On 19 Nov, 13:01, Roland Perry wrote:
Which reminds me, I haven't had a reply from them about my complaint
regarding the lack of Oyster facilities at LHR-123 station.

I got mine today:

So did I.

"I'm sorry to hear that you had a difficult experience and I can
appreciate how frustrating it must have been for you.

I have spoken with the senior station manager about this issue and he
has confirmed that the closures were in place in prepartion for the
planned escalator replacment work due to start early next year. The
trial was carried out to see how the station would cope with the loss
of one up and one down escalator

So they were experimenting upon the public, to see how we would cope.

and also to test the remaining
escalators operating in the wrong direction.

We were aware before the trial started that without the installation
of additional Oyster readers there may have been some issues with
customer being unable to touch in or touch out. However, there wasn't
really anyway around it.

Some signs, and helpful staff, would have mitigated the situation a
little. Or was lack of signage, and unhelpfulness, part of the
experiment?

The trial had to take place and the
installation of new Oyster readers would have taken up to 10 weeks.

And they want us to believe that the escalator replacement project was
initiated in the last 10 weeks, so there wasn't time to order a
replacement Oyster pad before starting the trial?

Therefore it was not possible to install them for the trial but they
will be in place when the actual works start next year.

I hope you find this information helpful and I'm sorry for the
problems you experienced"

U

--
Roland Perry