On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:13:06 +0000, Neil Williams wrote
On 7 Nov, 16:44, allan tracy wrote:

You're logic and spatial awareness are impeccable but are they good
enough to consider the case of three moms, on the school run and down
a side road, simultaneously attempting to back into parking spaces all
far too short for them.

What has that got to do with congestion in Central London? (Though I
do believe we should go to an American system of school buses, and
parents should as a result be prohibited from taking their cars to
schools).

What about those who don't live on a school bus route?

What about kids driving themselves to school?

In message k, at
07:59:55 on Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Stimpy remarked:
I do believe we should go to an American system of school buses, and
parents should as a result be prohibited from taking their cars to
schools).

What about those who don't live on a school bus route?

School bus routes are remarkably pervasive.

What about kids driving themselves to school?

American schools generally have sufficiently large car parks that
parking's not a problem. As for traffic, I think that High School hours
are usually somewhat after the morning rush hour (normal businesses open
at 8am, of course).
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:44:10AM -0800, allan tracy wrote:
It is a fact that a 4x4 causes no more of a traffic jam than a
normally-sized car. =A0A Land Rover Defender SWB, for instance, is as I
recall shorter and narrower then a Vauxhall Corsa.
You're logic and spatial awareness are impeccable but are they good
enough to consider the case of three moms, on the school run and down
a side road, simultaneously attempting to back into parking spaces all
far too short for them.

So are you saying that mothers shouldn't be allowed to drive Corsas? Or
that people who don't know how to park shouldn't be allowed to drive?

If the former, what do you have against mothers (and Corsas)? If the
latter, what does this have to do specifically with 4x4s, Land Rovers,
Corsas, or the Mayor of London's powers?

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On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:58:23PM -0000, Chris Read wrote:

Disappointed to see the document (or a summary thereof) will still be
translated into a multitude of different languages - or 'your language' as
it says. If you're resident in the United Kingdon, 'your language' is
English.

No, my neighbour's language is Portuguese, because she's Portuguese.
Hope that helps. Shame that you spoil what would be a good point by
appending such idiocy to it.

--
David Cantrell | top google result for "internet beard fetish club"

More people are driven insane through religious hysteria than
by drinking alcohol. -- W C Fields

On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:47:48 +0000, Roland Perry wrote
In message k, at
07:59:55 on Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Stimpy remarked:
I do believe we should go to an American system of school buses, and
parents should as a result be prohibited from taking their cars to
schools).

What about those who don't live on a school bus route?

School bus routes are remarkably pervasive.

What about kids driving themselves to school?

American schools generally have sufficiently large car parks that
parking's not a problem. As for traffic, I think that High School hours
are usually somewhat after the morning rush hour (normal businesses open
at 8am, of course).

I appreciate that but the different situation over here would preclude
exclusively adopting the US model

In message k, at
21:52:27 on Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Stimpy remarked:
I do believe we should go to an American system of school buses, and
parents should as a result be prohibited from taking their cars to
schools).

What about those who don't live on a school bus route?

School bus routes are remarkably pervasive.

What about kids driving themselves to school?

American schools generally have sufficiently large car parks that
parking's not a problem. As for traffic, I think that High School hours
are usually somewhat after the morning rush hour (normal businesses open
at 8am, of course).

I appreciate that but the different situation over here would preclude
exclusively adopting the US model

I agree - if nothing else the UK drivers would not give school buses the
sort of priority they automatically get in the USA, and so the schedules
would be toast. The other issue that people perhaps don't appreciate is
that the US school system is fiercely zoned - if you move house you move
school, even if the original one was still "within reasonable range". So
the school buses have quite tightly defined territories to patrol.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message k, at
07:59:55 on Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Stimpy
remarked:
I do believe we should go to an American system of school buses,
and parents should as a result be prohibited from taking their cars
to schools).

What about those who don't live on a school bus route?

School bus routes are remarkably pervasive.

Maybe America doesn't have lots of narrow cul-de-sacs, like England.

"John Rowland" wrote in
:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message k, at
07:59:55 on Mon, 10 Nov 2008, Stimpy
remarked:
I do believe we should go to an American system of school buses,
and parents should as a result be prohibited from taking their cars
to schools).

What about those who don't live on a school bus route?

School bus routes are remarkably pervasive.

Maybe America doesn't have lots of narrow cul-de-sacs, like England.

Traditional American road layouts don't have many cul-de-sacs (culs-de-
sac? culs-de-sacs?), but nowadays they tend to have them in residential
developments. I lived at the end of one in California for a few years,
and the school bus just stopped at the end of the road.

The buses don't provide a door-to-door service for every kid, at least
not in towns, but where we lived parents seemed to make an effort
through car-sharing and the like to avoid the syndrome I see here of
each child being individually ferried to school.

Peter CS

--
Peter Campbell Smith ~ London ~ pjcs00 (a) gmail.com

In message , at 09:19:09 on Thu, 13 Nov 2008,
John Rowland remarked:
What about those who don't live on a school bus route?

School bus routes are remarkably pervasive.

Maybe America doesn't have lots of narrow cul-de-sacs, like England.

The bit I lived in did. But there was one "through route" off of which
all those cul-de-sacs sprang. So if the bus stopped at the junction with
each cul-de-sac it was effective in mopping up all the schoolkids.

The objective isn't to collect every kid from its doorstep, five minutes
walk away is considered satisfactory.
--
Roland Perry

We've had them in West Yorkshire for quite a bit now. They were in fact
piloted in Hebden Bridge 2 or 3 yrs ago with some specially built Bluebird
Buses from the USA (by specially built I mean Right Hand Drive!) but they
have now been replaced by Optares,

I believe it has increased the uptake of the buses but there still seem to
be a heck of a lot of big cars around schools at 9am!

There's more at http://www.wymetro.com/BusTravel/MyBus/