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(Mr Thant) wrote:

On 17 Nov, 23:49, Mizter T wrote:
What are the service upgrade plans on the Northern City you speak
of? This has passed me straight by!

Just the stuff in the ECML RUS:
"- Six-car trains will be used on all shoulder-peak First Capital
Connect inner-suburban services as soon as trains are available from
London Overground (four are needed).
- Off-peak inner-suburban services will be increased from 3tph to
4tph on each branch, including weekday evenings and Saturdays.

Restoring the 1975 service level?

- Extension of hours on the Moorgate branch is unlikely.
- The Up Goods line (the easternmost track) from Alexandra Palace to
Finsbury Park will be converted into a third southbound passenger
track. The four stations it passes will get extra platforms on the
line, and may also get them on the equivalent northbound line, the
Down Slow 2 (the westernmost track). This will improve flexibility
and capacity.

That sounds like a real challenge for Hornsey! Will they reduce the depot
sidings to make room?

- Extra trains will run from the Hertford Loop to Moorgate in the
morning peak."


http://londonconnections.blogspot.co...-line-rus-publ
ished.html

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Nov 18, 2:32*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"D7666" wrote

I was under the impression that a side effect of the SL RUS suggesting
(for good reasons IMHO) Wimbledon loop be decoupled from Thameslink
was diversion to other lines where 8car length limits (such as around
all of the Wimbledon loop) would be less of a problem.

The South Central Metro services supposedly have their own 10car
extension scheme although I'm not sure to what timescale and already
most if not all of Kent suburban is already 10car (I accept the access
route between Kent *via Elephant to *Thameslink core is not 10car).

It's only the ex-SER lines (Charing Cross and Cannon Street) of Kent
Suburban that are 10-car (implemented in the 1950s), and many platforms were
extended to 12-car when it was intended (and may be again, on some routes)
that Networkers would run in 12-car formation. The ex-LCDR lines (Victoria
and Blackfriars) have always remained 8-car, with the only longer platforms
being at a few stations at which main line trains call - from memory, Herne
Hill, Beckenham Junction, Shortlands, Bromley South, St Mary Cray and
Swanley.

IIRC Bat and Ball is only about 5-car length - how is this managed with
longer trains?

According to Quail it's 8, but the southern edition must be long
overdue for an update. Haven't been there for about fifteen years.

MIG wrote:
On Nov 18, 2:32 pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"D7666" wrote

I was under the impression that a side effect of the SL RUS suggesting
(for good reasons IMHO) Wimbledon loop be decoupled from Thameslink
was diversion to other lines where 8car length limits (such as around
all of the Wimbledon loop) would be less of a problem.
The South Central Metro services supposedly have their own 10car
extension scheme although I'm not sure to what timescale and already
most if not all of Kent suburban is already 10car (I accept the access
route between Kent via Elephant to Thameslink core is not 10car).
It's only the ex-SER lines (Charing Cross and Cannon Street) of Kent
Suburban that are 10-car (implemented in the 1950s), and many platforms were
extended to 12-car when it was intended (and may be again, on some routes)
that Networkers would run in 12-car formation. The ex-LCDR lines (Victoria
and Blackfriars) have always remained 8-car, with the only longer platforms
being at a few stations at which main line trains call - from memory, Herne
Hill, Beckenham Junction, Shortlands, Bromley South, St Mary Cray and
Swanley.

IIRC Bat and Ball is only about 5-car length - how is this managed with
longer trains?

According to Quail it's 8, but the southern edition must be long
overdue for an update. Haven't been there for about fifteen years.

Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL
ran from Sevenoaks, I used to travel fairly often from Crofton Park to
Sevenoaks, and as the person I went to see was about equidistant from
Bat & Ball and Sevenoaks I sometimes used to get off there. Now I cannot
remember how long the trains were, 8 or 4 cars, but the announcement for
Bat & Ball was "Passengers for Bat & Ball should travel in the first 2 or 4
carriages only, it was a very short platform.
Sorry I cannot be any more specific.

--
Martin

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On Nov 18, 9:08 pm, Martin Smith wrote:



Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL
ran from Sevenoaks,

pedant

Late 1980s.

TL to Sevenoaks did not start until May 1988 timetable. In fact, TL
did not start at all until then.

/pedant

--
Nick

On Nov 18, 9:50*pm, D7666 wrote:
On Nov 18, 9:08 pm, Martin Smith wrote:

Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL
ran from Sevenoaks,

pedant

Late 1980s.

TL to Sevenoaks did not start until May 1988 timetable. In fact, TL
did not start at all until then.

/pedant

--
Nick

The Quail is dated 2002, long ago, but long after we seem to have been
there.

MIG wrote:

According to Quail it's 8, but the southern edition must be long
overdue for an update.

Imminent - http://www.trackmaps.co.uk/news.htm

JP

On Nov 19, 8:20*am, Johannes Patruus wrote:
MIG wrote:
According to Quail it's 8, but the southern edition must be long
overdue for an update.

Imminent -http://www.trackmaps.co.uk/news.htm

JP

Excellent. That's Christmas sorted for the whole family.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:08:05 +0000, Martin Smith
wrote:


Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL
ran from Sevenoaks, I used to travel fairly often from Crofton Park to
Sevenoaks, and as the person I went to see was about equidistant from
Bat & Ball and Sevenoaks I sometimes used to get off there. Now I cannot
remember how long the trains were, 8 or 4 cars, but the announcement for
Bat & Ball was "Passengers for Bat & Ball should travel in the first 2 or 4
carriages only, it was a very short platform.
Sorry I cannot be any more specific.

Not that short. You could fit 6 EPB onto the up, and 5 onto the down.
It never seemed to be a problem.

--
Bill Hayles
http://www.rossrail.com

"David A Stocks" wrote in message
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"Mizter T" wrote in message
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*Incredibly* stupid question coming up... I presume (perhaps
erroneously) from your talk of Kentish Town and SDO that you are
arguing for SDO to be included in the spec for the new Thameslink
rolling stock, right? If so then how much of a big thing is it to
equip new trains with SDO systems? Perhaps foolishly it seems to me
that (a) it can't be that big a deal and (b) new stock such as that
which will be ordered for Thameslink should arguably have SDO
capabilities installed anyway to ensure the stock is versatile,
adaptable and future-proof.

The 377s that will be running interim services have GPS-based SDO, and
ISTR
reading somewhere that it was having to be specially adapted for the
Thameslink route.


Hopefully a better system than the existing one which results in trains
sitting at Victoria
with the doors locked for 30 seconds after arrival whilst the computer works
out which
platform it's on...

D7666 wrote:
On Nov 18, 9:08 pm, Martin Smith wrote:



Well, back in the mid 80's, during that relatively short period when TL
ran from Sevenoaks,

pedant

Late 1980s.

TL to Sevenoaks did not start until May 1988 timetable. In fact, TL
did not start at all until then.

/pedant

Sorry about that, memory not as good as it used to be

--
Martin

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