In message , at 16:01:58
on Sun, 7 Dec 2008, remarked:
Why would a commuter from Southend want to take a Crossrail train
rather than the much more direct line to Fenchurch St?

How different from the people who currently travel from Southend Victoria
to Liverpool St now? If they want the city they will get to Fenchurch St
quicker but quite a lot still travel to Liverpool St.

Once the hypothetical Crossrail-from-Southend trains become all-station
stopper from Shenfield, the timing will be hugely unattractive. The two
routes are comparable at the moment only due to skipping all but Romford
and Stratford stops.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 13:25:45
on Sun, 7 Dec 2008, remarked:
Somewhere upthread, it was asserted that the place had to be a
junction - Shenfield and Colchester are, Chelmsford isn't. Not that
this is necessarily a correct assertion.

I thought it was more that it hasn't got the facilities.

But if the location fits otherwise it could have the facilities added.

Adding sidings (and perhaps extra platforms) on top of a viaduct in a
busy town centre is quite a daunting task.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote :
But if the location fits otherwise it could have the facilities added.
Adding sidings (and perhaps extra platforms) on top of a viaduct in a busy
town centre is quite a daunting task.

Especially at Christmas.

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Mr Thant wrote:

That said, I've decided all Crossrail trains will terminate at
Stratford. The people of Essex can go to their rooms and think about
what they've done.

Actually, that would probably suit the people of Essex quite well, since
almost all of them live beyond Shenfield, and thus have to change to get
onto Crossrail anyway - having it start at Stratford means they'll be more
likely to get a seat.

It would be less good for the people of the part of east London that many
Londoners erroneously refer to as Essex, of course.

tom

--
Taking care of business

On Dec 8, 11:47*am, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Mr Thant wrote:
That said, I've decided all Crossrail trains will terminate at
Stratford. The people of Essex can go to their rooms and think about
what they've done.

Actually, that would probably suit the people of Essex quite well, since
almost all of them live beyond Shenfield, and thus have to change to get
onto Crossrail anyway - having it start at Stratford means they'll be more
likely to get a seat.

It would be less good for the people of the part of east London that many
Londoners erroneously refer to as Essex, of course.

Brentwood is the first station in Essex on that line, as I recall.

In message
, at
03:59:56 on Mon, 8 Dec 2008, MIG remarked:
It would be less good for the people of the part of east London that many
Londoners erroneously refer to as Essex, of course.

Brentwood is the first station in Essex on that line, as I recall.

Within the current administrative county of Essex, yes.
--
Roland Perry

On Dec 8, 12:35*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
03:59:56 on Mon, 8 Dec 2008, MIG remarked:

It would be less good for the people of the part of east London that many
Londoners erroneously refer to as Essex, of course.

Brentwood is the first station in Essex on that line, as I recall.

Within the current administrative county of Essex, yes.

There have only ever been administrative boundaries. I've never
understood why past administrative boundaries are deemed to have more
significance than current ones and somehow represent eg the "real"
Essex.

In message
, at
04:44:26 on Mon, 8 Dec 2008, MIG remarked:
It would be less good for the people of the part of east London that many
Londoners erroneously refer to as Essex, of course.

Brentwood is the first station in Essex on that line, as I recall.

Within the current administrative county of Essex, yes.

There have only ever been administrative boundaries.

There are postal boundaries too.

I've never understood why past administrative boundaries are deemed to
have more significance than current ones and somehow represent eg the
"real" Essex.

Because many people grew up when (eg) Ilford was fully "in Essex", and
continue to refer to it as Essex because of its postal address. The
borough council, for example, publish the address of:

Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Essex, IG1 1DD
--
Roland Perry

On Dec 8, 1:00*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
04:44:26 on Mon, 8 Dec 2008, MIG remarked:

It would be less good for the people of the part of east London that many
Londoners erroneously refer to as Essex, of course.

Brentwood is the first station in Essex on that line, as I recall.

Within the current administrative county of Essex, yes.

There have only ever been administrative boundaries.

There are postal boundaries too.

Ah true, and there are telephone codes, but they are there purely for
operational convenience of service providers and also change. They
are based on things like the number of delivery points and capacity of
exchanges.


I've never understood why past administrative boundaries are deemed to
have more significance than current ones and somehow represent eg the
"real" Essex.

Because many people grew up when (eg) Ilford was fully "in Essex", and
continue to refer to it as Essex because of its postal address. The
borough council, for example, publish the address of:

Town Hall, 128-142 High Road, Ilford, Essex, IG1 1DD

Yes, but it's still the address of the London Borough of Redbridge. I
don't think the Royal Mail includes county names in addresses any
more. They use Post Towns (which every village has, and don't imply
that the village is actually in that town). A postal address is
structured data about delivery points, not a description of where a
place really is.

There is a strange situation in Surrey I think in that some of their
administrative offices are not in the region that they administer (ie
Kingston).

On 8 Dec, 11:47, Tom Anderson wrote:
It would be less good for the people of the part of east London that many
Londoners erroneously refer to as Essex, of course.

There's nothing erroneous about the River Lea.

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