On Nov 27, 4:35 pm, Tom Barry wrote:
It was going to be a toll bridge with discounts for local residents,
specifically to deter people from dodging Dartford.

Figures. I don't know why they just don't reinstall turnpikes
everywhere and be done with it.

B2003

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Boltar wrote:

On Nov 27, 4:35 pm, Tom Barry wrote:

It was going to be a toll bridge with discounts for local residents,
specifically to deter people from dodging Dartford.

Figures. I don't know why they just don't reinstall turnpikes everywhere
and be done with it.

They're pretty much planning to! The government are always murmuring about
nation-wide road pricing schemes. It's only a matter of time before they
start implementing them.

tom

--
Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of
indirection. -- David Wheeler

"Tom Anderson" wrote :
They're pretty much planning to! The government are always murmuring about
nation-wide road pricing schemes. It's only a matter of time before they
start implementing them.

At the moment, it's all down to Manchester, where they vote in December on a
congestion charge that will depend on electronic tracking - if that gets the
go-ahead, it'll serve as a test for the electronic systems (that have worked
just fine in 22 other countries for up to 20 years).

The relevance to London, as well as Dartford, is that our congestion charge
would be much cheaper to administer with electronic beacons in subscribing
cars

Though the tin hat brigade will get extremely excited - it makes Oyster look
like a civil liberties picnic.
--

Andrew

"If A is success in life, then A = x + y + z.
Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut." ~ Albert Einstein

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Andrew Heenan wrote:

"Tom Anderson" wrote :
They're pretty much planning to! The government are always murmuring about
nation-wide road pricing schemes. It's only a matter of time before they
start implementing them.

At the moment, it's all down to Manchester, where they vote in December on a
congestion charge that will depend on electronic tracking - if that gets the
go-ahead, it'll serve as a test for the electronic systems (that have worked
just fine in 22 other countries for up to 20 years).

The relevance to London, as well as Dartford, is that our congestion charge
would be much cheaper to administer with electronic beacons in subscribing
cars

Really? Is ANPR that expensive?

Though the tin hat brigade will get extremely excited - it makes Oyster
look like a civil liberties picnic.

There's one thing about the hatters that i don't get. They don't want to
be tracked by oyster card, road charging beacon, ANPR, or CCTV gait
recognition. So why don't they just buy bikes?

tom

--
Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of
indirection. -- David Wheeler

"Tom Anderson" wrote:
The relevance to London, as well as Dartford, is that our congestion
charge
would be much cheaper to administer with electronic beacons in
subscribing
cars
Really? Is ANPR that expensive?

Relatively, yes; the hardware is more complex and prone to breakdown and
damage, and the recognition is a several-stage process, which requires a
fair degree of human intervention (and is still open to dispute!).

Beacons are a simply process by comparison, with Crapita finding it much
harder to add in extra expenses.

There's one thing about the hatters that i don't get. They don't want to
be tracked by oyster card, road charging beacon, ANPR, or CCTV gait
recognition. So why don't they just buy bikes?

Bicycle bell recognition may be in its infancy, but I'll have you know that
several studies are progressing on this major surveillance issue.

And did you know that no two tyre prints are identical? Even when new ...
they are made unique as an art form, by subsistence-wage workers in
Southeast Asia.

You heard it here first. Or second. Whatever.
--
Andrew

"When 'Do no Evil' has been understood, then learn the harder, braver rule,
Do Good." ~ Arthur Guiterman

On Nov 27, 10:42 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008, Andrew Heenan wrote:
There's one thing about the hatters that i don't get. They don't want to
be tracked by oyster card, road charging beacon, ANPR, or CCTV gait
recognition. So why don't they just buy bikes?

Or as is happening increasingly in london buy a car with polish/
bulgarian/whatever plates and no more worries.

B2003