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() wrote:

It looks like there are now only TfL fares on that route, not NR ones,
and you can't combine them with a super off peak.

So for some reason it seems you can book "anytime return to CJ +
anytime return from CJ to SB" or "off peak return to CJ + anytime
return from CJ to SB" but not "super off peak return to CJ + anytime
return from CJ to SB".

The NRE website doesn't give the London Stations fare for Olympia
either.

More collapsing fare integration inside and outside of London! Given how
much we outside London pay to subsidise TfL and NR services in London it's
a scandal!

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Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:23:25 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

wrote:
PAYG on the Overground (and on other NR lines where Oyster is
accepted) is treated the same as PAYG on the tube, and hence a
journey that involves both is only considered as one journey. I
think this is true for the DLR as well.

Buses are different. $deity knows why, although my guess would be
technical implementation reasons rather than an ideological dislike
of mixed-mode bus-rail journey.

I looked this up on the TfL website and it seems to be true. I have
to admit I didn't realise.

It is valid for any pair of LU/LO/DLR/NR stations where the gates are
programmed for 'out of station interchange', or OSIs, however the list
of OSIs is not formally published. Station pairs explicitly linked on
the latest tube map, eg White City/Wood Lane, or Shepherds Bush LU/LO
are OSIs; as are implicit pairs like the two Hammersmiths. However it
is incorrect to assume all journeys involving a short walk outside the
barriers will be linked, but hopefully you have the picture now.

The current list of OSIs has been compiled by London Reconnections and
verified by TfL.

http://londonreconnections.blogspot....-station-inter
changes-current.html

There seem to be a few glitches there, e.g.

London King's Cross LU King's Cross St. Pancras Met NR 30
London King's Cross LU King's Cross St. Pancras Tube NR 30

which should have NR and LU reversed, surely?

Also, I see there are still OSIs for:

King's Cross St. Pancras Met LU King's Cross St. Pancras Tube LU 30

and vice-versa are still in there. Surely they are no longer OSIs since
the Met station was reconfigured with the Western ticket hall?

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Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:

The NRE website doesn't give the London Stations fare for Olympia
either.

If you mean the 'London Terminals' fare, that'll be because Kensington
Olympia isn't a member of the 'London Terminals' fares group. Changed in
the mid 90s IIRC.

Kenny O is however a valid interchange for cross London NR/LU/NR transfer.

Paul S

wrote:
In article
,
() wrote:

It looks like there are now only TfL fares on that route, not NR
ones, and you can't combine them with a super off peak.

So for some reason it seems you can book "anytime return to CJ +
anytime return from CJ to SB" or "off peak return to CJ + anytime
return from CJ to SB" but not "super off peak return to CJ + anytime
return from CJ to SB".

The NRE website doesn't give the London Stations fare for Olympia
either.

More collapsing fare integration inside and outside of London! Given
how much we outside London pay to subsidise TfL and NR services in
London it's a scandal!

The previous poster was wrong Colin, Anytime and Offpeak through fares are
available as per normal, it is only the SWT specific SOP that isn't.

Paul S

wrote:

King's Cross St. Pancras Met LU King's Cross St. Pancras Tube LU 30

and vice-versa are still in there. Surely they are no longer OSIs
since the Met station was reconfigured with the Western ticket hall?

Probably makes sense to leave them as OSIs for the benefit of the few
irregular travellers who remember having to pass through the gatelines at KX
to get to/from Met/Circle to/from 'tube' and fail to notice the new signs or
routes. Doesn't cause any harm anyway AFAICT...

Paul S

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

wrote:
In article
,
() wrote:

It looks like there are now only TfL fares on that route, not NR
ones, and you can't combine them with a super off peak.

So for some reason it seems you can book "anytime return to CJ +
anytime return from CJ to SB" or "off peak return to CJ + anytime
return from CJ to SB" but not "super off peak return to CJ + anytime
return from CJ to SB".

The NRE website doesn't give the London Stations fare for Olympia
either.

More collapsing fare integration inside and outside of London! Given
how much we outside London pay to subsidise TfL and NR services in
London it's a scandal!

The previous poster was wrong Colin, Anytime and Offpeak through
fares are available as per normal, it is only the SWT specific SOP
that isn't.

Doesn't alter my complaint, that once you cross TOC boundaries, fare
integration goes pear shaped.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

wrote:

King's Cross St. Pancras Met LU King's Cross St. Pancras Tube LU 30

and vice-versa are still in there. Surely they are no longer OSIs
since the Met station was reconfigured with the Western ticket
hall?

Probably makes sense to leave them as OSIs for the benefit of the
few irregular travellers who remember having to pass through the
gatelines at KX to get to/from Met/Circle to/from 'tube' and fail
to notice the new signs or routes. Doesn't cause any harm anyway
AFAICT...

'spose so.

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Colin Rosenstiel