"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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John B wrote:

On Dec 4, 2:27 pm, wrote:
So what is the cheapest fare? Or can I rely on a Fleet to London
Stations ticket?

If you have a Fleet to London Terminals season ticket this will cover
you to Clapham Junction. Not sure about the last bit, would probably
say yes but I am sure one of our routing guide experts will be along
to comment shortly!

*waves*.

Fleet to London Terminals tickets are routed by maps CS and WR, or by
map WX. Map WX covers Fleet to Clapham Junction (it's basically the
SWT map), but not beyond - it only gets you into Waterloo or Victoria.

Maps CS and WR cover the GWML route into London via Reading and
Slough. They also allow you to travel via Hayes, Kensington Olympia
and Clapham into Waterloo. If you were to go this way, and catch one
of the occasional XC services that takes the route, then this'd get
you as far as Olympia... however, you'd still have to pay gbp3 for the
return Olympia-Shepherds Bush fare, as well as taking a ridiculous
route.

So it sounds like a Fleet to Clapham off-peak return at gbp11.20 and a
Clapham to Shepherds Bush off-peak return at gbp3 are the way forward.
No idea why the through fare is so expensive tho'.


Why bother, go to Waterloo then Bakerloo/Northern line (to taste) and then
Central Line to White City which is right opposite TV Centre. Shepherds
Bush
is right the other end of Shepherds Bush Green and, frankly, I wouldn't
fancy
walking back there from TVC after dark.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

It's counter intuitive but how about Waterloo, Bakerloo or Jubilee to Baker
St then Hammersmith and City to the new station that I can't remember the
name of?

Google

Wood Lane, that's the one.

Or...

Vauxhall, Victoria Line to Victoria, District to Hammersmith H and C to Wood
Lane?

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"Graham Harrison" wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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Why bother, go to Waterloo then Bakerloo/Northern line (to taste) and
then Central Line to White City which is right opposite TV Centre.
Shepherds Bush is right the other end of Shepherds Bush Green and,
frankly, I wouldn't fancy walking back there from TVC after dark.

-- Graeme Wall This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

It's counter intuitive but how about Waterloo, Bakerloo or Jubilee to Baker
St then Hammersmith and City to the new station that I can't remember the
name of?

Google

Wood Lane, that's the one.

Or...

Vauxhall, Victoria Line to Victoria, District to Hammersmith H and C to
Wood Lane?


That has you trying to cross Hammersmith Broadway which can be interesting,
in the Chinese sense. Still the most logical place is White City especially
if the weather is bad.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

On 4 Dec, 16:52, "Graham Harrison"
wrote:
"Graeme Wall" wrote in message


Why bother, go to Waterloo then Bakerloo/Northern line (to taste) and then
Central Line to White City which is right opposite TV Centre. *Shepherds
Bush
is right the other end of Shepherds Bush Green and, frankly, I wouldn't
fancy
walking back there from TVC after dark.

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

It's counter intuitive but how about Waterloo, Bakerloo or Jubilee to Baker
St then Hammersmith and City to the new station that I can't remember the
name of?

Google

Wood Lane, that's the one.

I didn't know they had built a new station... six months not working
in London and it seems I'm out of touch already.

Thanks for all the more or less convoluted ways of getting there by
tube, but Fleet-CJn-Shepherds Bush has the benefit of being only one
change and fairly direct. And as I am meeting friends at 5.45 the WLL
from CJn should have the benefit of being relatively quiet. The walk
should be no more than a mile, via major roads I don't see why that
should be a problem.

Besides I don't think I've ever been north of Olympia on the WLL.

I was trying to save the cost of a travelcard - but without the Super
Off Peak option it isn't worth it. But often, if I'm only likely to
be catching one tube, or using the bus, I go for London Stations
ticket + use of Oyster.

On 5 Dec, 00:39, wrote:

On 4 Dec, 16:52, "Graham Harrison"
wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message

Why bother, go to Waterloo then Bakerloo/Northern line (to taste)
and then Central Line to White City which is right opposite TV Centre..
Shepherds Bush is right the other end of Shepherds Bush Green and,
frankly, I wouldn't fancy walking back there from TVC after dark.

It's counter intuitive but how about Waterloo, Bakerloo or Jubilee to Baker
St then Hammersmith and City to the new station that I can't remember the
name of?

Google

Wood Lane, that's the one.

I didn't know they had built a new station... six months not working
in London and it seems I'm out of touch already.

Both the new stations at Wood Lane on the H&C and Shepherd's Bush on
the WLL have been built in connection with, and at least partially
financed by, Westfield - i.e. the bods who built, own and run the
mamoth new shopping centre there.


Thanks for all the more or less convoluted ways of getting there by
tube, but Fleet-CJn-Shepherds Bush has the benefit of being only one
change and fairly direct. And as I am meeting friends at 5.45 the WLL
from CJn should have the benefit of being relatively quiet. * The walk
should be no more than a mile, via major roads I don't see why that
should be a problem.


The WLL is pretty busy these days, though more so in the southbound
direction - travelling at 5.45 in the opposite direction definitely
couldn't be described as being relatively quiet!


Besides I don't think I've ever been north of Olympia on the WLL.

I was trying to save the cost of a travelcard - but without the Super
Off Peak option it isn't worth it. *But often, if I'm only likely to
be catching one tube, or using the bus, I go for London Stations
ticket + use of Oyster.


As I state elsewhere on this thread, Oyster PAYG is valid for use on
the WLL these dfays - and that includes from Clapham Junction.

Here's a map of the National Rail routes on which PAYG is currently
valid (PDF):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...onal-rail..pdf

As I state elsewhere on this thread, Oyster PAYG is valid for use on
the WLL these dfays - and that includes from Clapham Junction.

Yes I know, but on this occasion it will be better value to get a
through ticket or a travelcard. At the weekend, when the Network Card
cap doesn't apply, it may very well be best to buy a return to CJn and
then use Oyster.

Although one problem with Oyster is that it doesn't allow for change
of mode on one fare. So a journey involving two buses, or a bus and
tube, or maybe here - if it's raining I might want to get the Tube to
Shepherds Bush and then WLL - you get charged twice, more than if you
took a journey of equivalent length on the Tube, even changing lines.

Many European transport systems allow you to change mode on a single
ticket, within a certain amount of time - and I think Oyster should be
programmed to do this.

On 5 Dec, 09:27, wrote:
if it's raining I might want to get the Tube to
Shepherds Bush and then WLL - you get charged twice, more than if you
took a journey of equivalent length on the Tube, even changing lines.

No you don't. Oyster PAYG fares are based on the start and end points
of your journey. If you change trains at a recognised interchange,
even if you have to go through barriers or out onto the street, it
counts as a continuation of the same journey. In other words, in your
scenario, the second leg is free.

U

On 5 Dec, 13:35, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 5 Dec, 09:27, wrote:

if it's raining I might want to get the Tube to
Shepherds Bush and then WLL - you get charged twice, more than if you
took a journey of equivalent length on the Tube, even changing lines.

No you don't. Oyster PAYG fares are based on the start and end points
of your journey. If you change trains at a recognised interchange,
even if you have to go through barriers or out onto the street, it
counts as a continuation of the same journey. In other words, in your
scenario, the second leg is free.

So changing between the Tube and the WLL at SB doesn't count as
changing mode?

If I travel from, say, St Paul's to Waterloo via Holborn changing onto
a bus from Kingsway, surely I pay £2.50, £1.50 for the Tube and £1.00
for the bus. If I do the same journey by going on as far as Tottenham
Court Road and get the Northern line it only costs me £1.50. My point
was that you should be able to do the first journey for the same price
as the second - I don't think you can.

On Dec 5, 1:52*pm, wrote:
if it's raining I might want to get the Tube to
Shepherds Bush and then WLL - you get charged twice, more than if you
took a journey of equivalent length on the Tube, even changing lines.

No you don't. Oyster PAYG fares are based on the start and end points
of your journey. If you change trains at a recognised interchange,
even if you have to go through barriers or out onto the street, it
counts as a continuation of the same journey. In other words, in your
scenario, the second leg is free.

So changing between the Tube and the WLL at SB doesn't count as
changing mode?

If I travel from, say, St Paul's to Waterloo via Holborn changing onto
a bus from Kingsway, surely I pay £2.50, £1.50 for the Tube and £1.00
for the bus. *If I do the same journey by going on as far as Tottenham
Court Road and get the Northern line it only costs me £1.50. *My point
was that you should be able to do the first journey for the same price
as the second - I don't think you can.

PAYG on the Overground (and on other NR lines where Oyster is
accepted) is treated the same as PAYG on the tube, and hence a journey
that involves both is only considered as one journey. I think this is
true for the DLR as well.

Buses are different. $deity knows why, although my guess would be
technical implementation reasons rather than an ideological dislike of
mixed-mode bus-rail journey.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Dec 5, 8:57*am, Mizter T wrote:
On 5 Dec, 00:39, wrote:





On 4 Dec, 16:52, "Graham Harrison"
wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message

Why bother, go to Waterloo then Bakerloo/Northern line (to taste)
and then Central Line to White City which is right opposite TV Centre.
Shepherds Bush is right the other end of Shepherds Bush Green and,
frankly, I wouldn't fancy walking back there from TVC after dark.

It's counter intuitive but how about Waterloo, Bakerloo or Jubilee to Baker
St then Hammersmith and City to the new station that I can't remember the
name of?

Google

Wood Lane, that's the one.

I didn't know they had built a new station... six months not working
in London and it seems I'm out of touch already.

Both the new stations at Wood Lane on the H&C and Shepherd's Bush on
the WLL have been built in connection with, and at least partially
financed by, Westfield - i.e. the bods who built, own and run the
mamoth new shopping centre there.

From what I've seen, people pour out of the WLL and head not for
Westfield but directly into the Central Line (as I did when I was last
that way); a bleedin obvious interchange need that waited for an
irrelevant commercial development to pay for it.