On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:06:35 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:-

There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are
100% out of traffic flow

Bus companies don't install bus stops. Councils do that.




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David Hansen, Edinburgh
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:37:40 +0000 someone who may be ®i©ardo
wrote this:-

Some cities have even deliberately filled in bus lay-bys

Correct.

just to make congestion worse,

Incorrect.

There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from
widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the
driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus
and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone but
particularly those with mobility problems. Any traffic calming
effect is just a bonus.


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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:07:12 -0800 (PST) someone who may be Peter
Heather wrote this:-

I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. *Is
this strictly speaking legal.

Yes.

Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in
the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that
there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point.

A fair amount of assuming in that. It may be a fair assumption on
some roads in cities, but that is about it.





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"Peter Heather" wrote in message
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On Dec 4, 3:11 pm, David Hansen
wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
wrote this:-

I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is
this strictly speaking legal.

Yes.

Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in
the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that
there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. Some, but not
all, traffic orders state that a bus can stop to pick up or set down
passengers at a stop, but there could well be no provision to wait at
that point beyond doing so. Also, if there is no reference to a bus
stop in the order, then a bus has no more right than any other vehicle
to wait on a restricted stretch of road. I've known over-enthusiastic
parking attendants in at least one nameless Inner London borough to
ticket buses while they stood at a stop with no passengers in sight.

====

A coach in Oxford was ticketed for stopping for one minute to let a disabled
person on - which required letting down a mobility ramp.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/7763903.stm

A classic case of the letter of the law being seen to be more important than
its spirit, and a lack of common sense being applied.

Where do they get these jobsworths from - to quote David Jason as Inspector
Frost "Were you *born* cold-blooded? Or is there some sort of transfusion
you can get on the NHS these days?" ;-)

In message , Mortimer
writes
"Peter Heather" wrote in message
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On Dec 4, 3:11 pm, David Hansen
wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
wrote this:-

I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is
this strictly speaking legal.

Yes.

Actually, the answer could well be NO. It depends on the wording in
the traffic order, assuming that there is an order in force and that
there are yellow or red lines on the road at that point. Some, but not
all, traffic orders state that a bus can stop to pick up or set down
passengers at a stop, but there could well be no provision to wait at
that point beyond doing so. Also, if there is no reference to a bus
stop in the order, then a bus has no more right than any other vehicle
to wait on a restricted stretch of road. I've known over-enthusiastic
parking attendants in at least one nameless Inner London borough to
ticket buses while they stood at a stop with no passengers in sight.

====

A coach in Oxford was ticketed for stopping for one minute to let a disabled
person on - which required letting down a mobility ramp.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/o...re/7763903.stm

A classic case of the letter of the law being seen to be more important than
its spirit, and a lack of common sense being applied.

Where do they get these jobsworths from - to quote David Jason as Inspector
Frost "Were you *born* cold-blooded? Or is there some sort of transfusion
you can get on the NHS these days?" ;-)

I suspect in the Oxford case there's more to this than meets the eye,
not least concerning the actual location of the incident. There's a
thread in uk.transport.buses on it at the moment.
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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"Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote in message
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I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is
this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a
minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are
more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are
they allowed to just stop at a bus stop.

It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their
destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than
hogging the road for no good reason.

There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that
are 100% out of traffic flow and ban them from stopping where they don't.

Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a
stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or
alternative locations to use

Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution.

"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:37:40 +0000 someone who may be ®i©ardo
wrote this:-

Some cities have even deliberately filled in bus lay-bys

Correct.

just to make congestion worse,

Incorrect.

There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from
widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the
driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus
and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone

Incorrect, it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws
up traffic for far more people.

"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:06:35 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:-

There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that
are
100% out of traffic flow

Bus companies don't install bus stops.

Then they don't get to stop. It's about time they started paying there way.

Mortimer wrote:

A coach in Oxford was ticketed for stopping for one minute to let a disabled
person on - which required letting down a mobility ramp.
[snip]

Where do they get these jobsworths from - to quote David Jason as Inspector
Frost "Were you *born* cold-blooded? Or is there some sort of transfusion
you can get on the NHS these days?" ;-)

A couple of colleagues took some equipment into central London. They
stopped the car in a parking bay, under the watchful eye of a Traffic
Warden, put four quid in the meter and started to unload. All watched by
the said TW. When they returned for the next box the TW was
photographing the car and typing up a ticket. They asked him what was
going on and he pointed out that although the meter they had put money
in looked like the one for the parking bay, it was in fact for the next
bay along. They moved the car but still got the ticket.

Of course the Jobsworth sat and watched them pay at the wrong meter
without correcting their mistake or even telling them to move one
parking bay backwards.

They said the only pleasure they got out of the incident was seeing a
truck run over the TWs scooter.

As you say, born cold blooded.

Depresion wrote:
"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:06:35 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:-

There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus
stops that are
100% out of traffic flow

Bus companies don't install bus stops.

Then they don't get to stop. It's about time they started paying
there way.

What makes you think they don't?