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I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is
this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a
minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are
more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are
they allowed to just stop at a bus stop.

It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their
destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than
hogging the road for no good reason.

There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that
are 100% out of traffic flow and ban them from stopping where they don't.

Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a
stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or
alternative locations to use

Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution.

"Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote ...
Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a
stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or
alternative locations to use
Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution.

Troll-o-meter score = 2

*plonk*

On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:29:15 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:-

Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a
stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or
alternative locations to use

Then they don't get to stop and traffic can flow again. Good solution.

(Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of
delays to traffic is motorists in cars. There are so many of them
that they clog roads in towns. After that delays are caused by
things like road junctions, though these are really a manifestation
of too many motorists.

There are two ways to solve congestion. The first way to do this
only works for a while, knock everything down and expand into the
countryside. Where this has been tried it has only worked for a
while before congestion rose again. Los Angeles is a good example.

The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to
walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is
to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more
attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and
bus boarders in the space the layby used to take up. Not only does
it work but it is better for everyone, despite the whining of a
small but vocal minority.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

(Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays
to traffic is motorists in cars.

ITYM "traffic"

The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to
walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to
make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more
attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus
boarders in the space the layby used to take up.

Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how? After
all, those self-same buses will be delayed by that traffic, since they're
PART OF THE TRAFFIC, using those same roads and junctions.

On 5 Dec 2008 14:21:32 GMT someone who may be Adrian
wrote this:-

(Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays
to traffic is motorists in cars.

ITYM "traffic"

I meant what I typed, motor traffic. Cyclists and their vehicles are
less encumbered by motor vehicle constipation.

The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to
walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to
make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more
attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus
boarders in the space the layby used to take up.

Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how?

Your point relies on a false premise, contained in the first five
words, which I explained before.

However, given that motorists cause most of the delays to motorised
traffic (a term which, for the avoidance of doubt, includes buses)
by the sheer volume of motorists there are things which can be done.
One of these things is to encourage motorists out of their little
metal prisons by making alternatives more attractive. Another thing
is to relocate the congestion to places where it is easier for
public transport vehicles to have priority (and thus encourage
further modal shift). Bus lanes and virtual bus lanes are examples
of this approach. One place where this has been done is the A90 from
the Forth Road Bridge into Edinburgh. As I recall the results, as
well as speeding up priority vehicles by something like 20 minutes
it also speeded up motorists by a minute or two.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

(Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of
delays to traffic is motorists in cars.

ITYM "traffic"

I meant what I typed, motor traffic.

Which isn't what you typed.

You typed "motorists in cars". Look up a bit - it's still quoted,
unedited.

Cyclists and their vehicles are less encumbered by motor vehicle
constipation.

Sure. But buses, trucks, vans and other non "motorists in their cars"
traffic is part of, vehicle-for-vehicle a greater contributor to, and
affected by that traffic.

The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to
walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is
to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more
attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus
boarders in the space the layby used to take up.

Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how?

Your point relies on a false premise, contained in the first five words,

Ah, so those bus-stop laybys get filled in unwittingly? Or is the effect
- which you then describe as beneficial - unknown until it inevitably
happens?

which I explained before.

You did. However, since you've already contradicted that explanation,
you'll excuse me for being sceptical about it.

One of these things is to encourage motorists out of their little metal
prisons

****, you're as bad as Duhg.

by making alternatives more attractive.

"Buses - currently so bad "little metal prisons" are preferable."
You do do the hard-sell well...

As I recall the results, as well as speeding up priority vehicles by
something like 20 minutes it also speeded up motorists by a minute or
two.

I wonder how that could possibly happen unless the causes of traffic
really aren't as massively simplistic ("motorists in cars") as you try to
claim?

David Hansen wrote:
On 5 Dec 2008 14:21:32 GMT someone who may be Adrian
wrote this:-

(Motor) traffic is stopped by many things. The greatest cause of delays
to traffic is motorists in cars.
ITYM "traffic"

I meant what I typed, motor traffic. Cyclists and their vehicles are
less encumbered by motor vehicle constipation.

The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to
walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is to
make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more
attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and bus
boarders in the space the layby used to take up.
Deliberately introducing delays to traffic benefits buses, how?

Your point relies on a false premise, contained in the first five
words, which I explained before.

However, given that motorists cause most of the delays to motorised
traffic (a term which, for the avoidance of doubt, includes buses)
by the sheer volume of motorists there are things which can be done.
One of these things is to encourage motorists out of their little
metal prisons by making alternatives more attractive. Another thing
is to relocate the congestion to places where it is easier for
public transport vehicles to have priority (and thus encourage
further modal shift). Bus lanes and virtual bus lanes are examples
of this approach. One place where this has been done is the A90 from
the Forth Road Bridge into Edinburgh. As I recall the results, as
well as speeding up priority vehicles by something like 20 minutes
it also speeded up motorists by a minute or two.


And if you've no wish to go to Edinburgh?

--
Moving things in still pictures!

In message , David Hansen
writes
However, given that motorists cause most of the delays to motorised
traffic (a term which, for the avoidance of doubt, includes buses)
by the sheer volume of motorists there are things which can be done.
One of these things is to encourage motorists out of their little
metal prisons by making alternatives more attractive. Another thing
is to relocate the congestion to places where it is easier for
public transport vehicles to have priority (and thus encourage
further modal shift). Bus lanes and virtual bus lanes are examples
of this approach. One place where this has been done is the A90 from
the Forth Road Bridge into Edinburgh. As I recall the results, as
well as speeding up priority vehicles by something like 20 minutes
it also speeded up motorists by a minute or two.
You are either a fruit cake or a cyclist, hang on, you could be both.
--
Clive

Clive wrote:

[About Hansen]

You are either a fruit cake or a cyclist, hang on, you could be both.

bing Hansen is both, he also considers himself to be an authority on
environmental issues. So now you know what sort of fruitcakes Friends of
the Earth are.

On Dec 6, 10:43*am, (Steve Firth) wrote:
Clive wrote:

[About Hansen]

You are either a fruit cake or a cyclist, hang on, you could be both.

bing Hansen is both, he also considers himself to be an authority on
environmental issues. So now you know what sort of fruitcakes Friends of
the Earth are.

Hansen posts as if he is an expert on everything, but then goes on to
deny that he is an expert.

When his errors are pointed out to him, he replies with something
along the line of "ah insults"

Francis