On 04/12/08 20:42, John Ray wrote:
This will certainly be of interest to readers of uk.railway. You may
wish to consider posting it there as well.

As the incident happened in Birmingham, I wonder why the OP chose to
post in this group (uk.transport.london). I would also suggest posting
to uk.legal and uk.transport, in addition to uk.railway.

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:42:26 +0000, John Ray
wrote:

wrote:
I am going to reproduce below the entire Section 9 statement I have
made in respect of being accosted by Network Rail staff at Birmingham
New Street Station last Friday.
(snip)

This will certainly be of interest to readers of uk.railway. You may
wish to consider posting it there as well.

And to Tony Miles in particular who is involved in trying to make sure
the National Guidelines for rail station photography are applied
correctly. Examples of outrageous practice like this have to be
escalated and resolved at senior level. I wasn't aware that NR Station
Managers had personal fiefdoms rather than salaried employment.

Another Tony to be found on uk.railway is likely to get rather excited
too ;-)

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In message
, at
08:35:57 on Thu, 4 Dec 2008, "
remarked:

{Network Rail Policy]

Taking photographs on stations is permitted providing it is for
personal use.

....

You are also not allowed to take photographs of security
related equipment such as CCTV cameras.

My own experience was of being told I could not take a photograph of an
M&S "Simply Food" store while standing in the public area of a station.

It would be interesting to explore whether or not Network Rail's
permission is binding upon all its tenants - including train operators.
In your case, does Network Rail's permission extend to taking a photo of
a [Virgin?] train.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message
, at
08:35:57 on Thu, 4 Dec 2008, " remarked:

{Network Rail Policy]

Taking photographs on stations is permitted providing it is for
personal use.

...

You are also not allowed to take photographs of security
related equipment such as CCTV cameras.

My own experience was of being told I could not take a photograph of an
M&S "Simply Food" store while standing in the public area of a station.

It would be interesting to explore whether or not Network Rail's
permission is binding upon all its tenants - including train operators.

Network rail's permission to do what? Something that you are already
legally allowed to do?

tim

In message , at 09:40:35 on Fri, 5
Dec 2008, tim..... remarked:
My own experience was of being told I could not take a photograph of an
M&S "Simply Food" store while standing in the public area of a station.

It would be interesting to explore whether or not Network Rail's
permission is binding upon all its tenants - including train operators.

Network rail's permission to do what? Something that you are already
legally allowed to do?

I was having a "brown suede shoes" moment, and assuming that the
landowner was allowed to impose conditions on visitors, if they went to
the bother of advertising those conditions.
--
Roland Perry

In article ,
tim..... wrote:
Network rail's permission to do what? Something that you are already
legally allowed to do?

However, a landowner can (legally) ban photography on it's land
where a public right of way does not exist.

This would mean that photographers, who were aware of that ban,
become tresspassers when they take a picture.

--
Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3!
-- Flash

In message , at 10:17:25 on Fri,
5 Dec 2008, Mike Bristow remarked:
However, a landowner can (legally) ban photography on it's land
where a public right of way does not exist.

This would mean that photographers, who were aware of that ban,
become tresspassers when they take a picture.

Interesting when the landowner's reaction is to attempt to stop the
trespasser leaving by the shortest and quickest route! (In this case a
train).

Does the landowner have the power to insist they leave by the
landowner's choice of route, when that is further and slower?
--
Roland Perry

wrote in message
...
I am going to reproduce below the entire Section 9 statement I have
made .......

Don't forget to keep us all updated as to any developments.

On Dec 6, 9:41�am, "Albert" wrote:
wrote in message

...
I am going to reproduce below the entire Section 9 statement I have
made .......

Don't forget to keep us all updated as to any developments.

Thanks for all the replies!

I will certainly keep this forum updated: I have received a letter
from the P.A. to the Chief Executive of Network Rail today, promising
a full reply later.

I have certainly thought of contacting the press, but will first await
the outcome of the Railtrack and Police investigations.

At the Bar, a number of colleagues have experienced increasingly
asinine "security" behaviour, the latest being a middle-aged Q.C.
walking down Chancery Lane, stopped by City Police and asked a whole
load of pettifogging details (name, where are you going, height,
ethnicity - all of which were written on a form and handed back to
him, most of which was mis-spelled!), and when asked why he had been
stopped, the reply was "we are stopping every fifth person as a
routine check"! Just as well that Al-Quaeda suicide bombers don't come
in a groups of more than one, since only one of them would be stopped
and the next 4 at least would get through!

Marc.

Marc.

wrote:
On Dec 6, 9:41?am, "Albert" wrote:
wrote in message

...
I am going to reproduce below the entire Section 9 statement I have
made .......

Don't forget to keep us all updated as to any developments.

Thanks for all the replies!

I will certainly keep this forum updated: I have received a letter
from the P.A. to the Chief Executive of Network Rail today, promising
a full reply later.

I have certainly thought of contacting the press, but will first await
the outcome of the Railtrack and Police investigations.


One small point if you are taking this on Marc, is that the Network Rail
(not Railtrack) 'photography ' rules you quote are a part of the rules for
'rail enthusiasts'. But, if in the general case you were clearly just a
passenger waiting for a train for which you had a ticket, why would you need
to be aware of the rules for rail enthusiasts?

Should the rules for photography be a subset of the 'enthusiast' rules, or a
subset of nomal passenger rules, and should any particular rules deemed
necessary for commercial photographers be totally separate?

Paul S