On 16 Dec, 16:16, Rupert Candy wrote:
On Dec 14, 5:39*pm, Theo Markettos
wrote:

In uk.railway Andy wrote:

I seem to recall seeing somewhere that one of the ideas is the virtual
carnet. Buy 10 tickets for a journey, taken at irregular intevals, but
only pay for 8. This is something that should be relatively simple to
setup with smartcard ticketing.

It would make sense to provide metro-area ticket across modes. *So you'd buy
a DayRider which would be valid on local buses, and on trains (journeys like
Southampton Central to Redbridge). *If you ended up at Poole on a train or
Andover on a bus you've gone too far and aren't travelling with a valid
ticket. *Just like you can travelcard to Watford Junction but not Milton
Keynes.

Though presumably to avoid massive abuse this would have to be
accompanied with a 'touch in and touch out' policy on buses and other
modes, which could be tricky with the one-door, tickets from the
driver approach adopted to bus operation in most areas other than
London.

Surely it's a tentative (and arguably over-optimistic) step towards
what the Netherlands has - a national smart card which is valid for
local transport anywhere in the country, or (at least) in the South
East, but which won't make any real sense until lots of operators and
areas are supporting it. Even without 'PAYG' train ticketing, you
could still have some form of capping, whereby the (electronically
deducted) bus journeys at either end of a Cambridge city centre -
Southampton town centre journey were effectively 'refunded' when the
train ticket was added to the smartcard.

The Solent council's report on smartcard opportunities is at

http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/media/S...ortunities.pdf

The main points a

lack of incentive for bus operators to invest

possibiliy of validity on ferries

PAYG with capping style functionality is possible in the Solent
Travelcard area

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Matthew Dickinson wrote:

[snip]

The Solent council's report on smartcard opportunities is at

Solent council???????


http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/media/S...ortunities.pdf

Pompey getting uppity again? Just 'cos they've got a premiership team they
think they own the Solent :-)


The main points a

lack of incentive for bus operators to invest


possibiliy of validity on ferries

That could be handy.


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Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html

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Matthew Dickinson wrote:

[snip]

The Solent council's report on smartcard opportunities is at

Solent council???????
http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/media/S...ortunities.pdf

Pompey getting uppity again? Just 'cos they've got a premiership team
they
think they own the Solent :-)

The main points a

lack of incentive for bus operators to invest

possibiliy of validity on ferries

That could be handy.

Noticed today the reader/validators are fitted all the way down the Netley
line. As none of the stations have ticket barriers, and by my logic stand
alone 'readers' are not needed for season tickets, they must have some sort
of local scheme designed, otherwise why bother with all the hardware?

There are also foundations and conduit in at Southampton Central for stand
alone readers on the 'paid side' of the barriers. That points to use by pax
who've arrived at the station from elsewhere on normal tickets, by
comparison with say Wimbledon.

[Presume Solent council should have been 'Solent Transport'. No, I hadn't
heard of it either...]

Paul S

On 16 Dec, 18:24, "Paul Scott" wrote:

(snip)

Noticed today the reader/validators are fitted all the way down the Netley
line. As none of the stations have ticket barriers, and by my logic stand
alone 'readers' are not needed for season tickets, they must have some sort
of local scheme designed, otherwise why bother with all the hardware?

The plot thickens...


There are also foundations and conduit in at Southampton Central for stand
alone readers on the 'paid side' of the barriers. That points to use by pax
who've arrived at the station from elsewhere on normal tickets, by
comparison with say Wimbledon.

And Ealing Broadway, Stratford, Richmond, Barking, Harrow &
Wealdstone, Seven Sisters etc etc etc.

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"Paul Scott" wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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Matthew Dickinson wrote:

[snip]

The Solent council's report on smartcard opportunities is at

Solent council???????
http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/media/S...ortunities.pdf

Pompey getting uppity again? Just 'cos they've got a premiership team
they think they own the Solent :-)

The main points a

lack of incentive for bus operators to invest

possibiliy of validity on ferries

That could be handy.

Noticed today the reader/validators are fitted all the way down the Netley
line.

That's recent, they weren't there in September.

As none of the stations have ticket barriers, and by my logic stand alone
'readers' are not needed for season tickets, they must have some sort of
local scheme designed, otherwise why bother with all the hardware?

Some of the stations have only just got conventional ticket machines (which
weren't working when I tried to use them).


There are also foundations and conduit in at Southampton Central for stand
alone readers on the 'paid side' of the barriers. That points to use by pax
who've arrived at the station from elsewhere on normal tickets, by
comparison with say Wimbledon.

There appears to be some major refurbishment work going on on the upside of
Southampton Central.


[Presume Solent council should have been 'Solent Transport'. No, I hadn't
heard of it either...]


Hope its nothing to do with Solent 'University' (sic)

--
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html