I've just had an email referring to plans to move the Stratford London
Overground platforms from 2009/01/02.

I phoned the number given in that leaflet to ask what was planned for
the current platforms. It seems they will be used for a DLR extension.

The person who answered was not able to answer my next question: will
the Main Ticket Hall and the Jubilee Line Concourse be joined on the
level rather than via escalators, lifts and stairs as currently happens?

Can a reader here cast light, please?

The leaflet is at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...London-Overgro
und-Stratford-leaflet.pdf
--
Walter Briscoe

On 16 Dec, 12:18, Walter Briscoe wrote:
The person who answered was not able to answer my next question: will
the Main Ticket Hall and the Jubilee Line Concourse be joined on the
level rather than via escalators, lifts and stairs as currently happens?

No, because the tracks through the middle will also be reused by the
DLR, to reach Stratford International.

U

"Walter Briscoe" wrote in message
...
I've just had an email referring to plans to move the Stratford London
Overground platforms from 2009/01/02.

I phoned the number given in that leaflet to ask what was planned for the
current platforms. It seems they will be used for a DLR extension.

They certainly are. The DLR extension was the rationale behind the NLL
withdrawal from North Woolwich back in 2006, and the NLL 'move upstairs' has
been planned ever since the DLR project was approved.

The person who answered was not able to answer my next question: will the
Main Ticket Hall and the Jubilee Line Concourse be joined on the level
rather than via escalators, lifts and stairs as currently happens?


No, because the DLR tracks to/from Stratford International will still pass
through the station as present, although apparently the DLR platform areas
will start a bit south of the existing ones.

http://developments.dlr.co.uk/extens...ford/index.asp

Paul

On 16 Dec, 12:28, Mr Thant
wrote:

On 16 Dec, 12:18, Walter Briscoe wrote:

The person who answered was not able to answer my next question: will
the Main Ticket Hall and the Jubilee Line Concourse be joined on the
level rather than via escalators, lifts and stairs as currently happens?

No, because the tracks through the middle will also be reused by the
DLR, to reach Stratford International.


Indeed. It's is a rather odd arrangement for their to be tracks
running through a station concourse - though of course the alignment
came first, the concourse being pretty recent innovation, as it's a
result of the mid/late 90's rebuild of Stratford station for the
Jubilee Line Extension. It rather puts me in mind of the old
arrangement at Waterloo, whereby there was a little-used line that ran
through the concourse linking the L&SWR's mainlines with the SER's
lines at what is now called Waterloo East (the cast iron bridge over
Waterloo Road being a remnant of this).

On 16 Dec, 14:55, Mizter T wrote:
On 16 Dec, 12:28, Mr Thant
wrote:

On 16 Dec, 12:18, Walter Briscoe wrote:

The person who answered was not able to answer my next question: will
the Main Ticket Hall and the Jubilee Line Concourse be joined on the
level rather than via escalators, lifts and stairs as currently happens?

No, because the tracks through the middle will also be reused by the
DLR, to reach Stratford International.

Indeed. It's is a rather odd arrangement for their to be tracks
running through a station concourse - though of course the alignment
came first, the concourse being pretty recent innovation, as it's a
result of the mid/late 90's rebuild of Stratford station for the
Jubilee Line Extension. It rather puts me in mind of the old
arrangement at Waterloo, whereby there was a little-used line that ran
through the concourse linking the L&SWR's mainlines with the SER's
lines at what is now called Waterloo East (the cast iron bridge over
Waterloo Road being a remnant of this).

It was a bit like that at Liverpool Street, where two platforms went
much further back and if you were walking along the concourse near the
buffers you'd have to go up the stairs to the walkway to get across
(or walk a long way round).

On 16 Dec, 16:15, MIG wrote:

On 16 Dec, 14:55, Mizter T wrote:

(snip)

Indeed. It's is a rather odd arrangement for their to be tracks
running through a station concourse - though of course the alignment
came first, the concourse being pretty recent innovation, as it's a
result of the mid/late 90's rebuild of Stratford station for the
Jubilee Line Extension. It rather puts me in mind of the old
arrangement at Waterloo, whereby there was a little-used line that ran
through the concourse linking the L&SWR's mainlines with the SER's
lines at what is now called Waterloo East (the cast iron bridge over
Waterloo Road being a remnant of this).

It was a bit like that at Liverpool Street, where two platforms went
much further back and if you were walking along the concourse near the
buffers you'd have to go up the stairs to the walkway to get across
(or walk a long way round).

This was a remnant of the link between the Great Eastern and the
Metropolitan Railway, was it not? Afraid that's a bit before my time -
I've only ever known the 'new' Liverpool St.

In message of Tue, 16 Dec 2008
12:30:56 in uk.transport.london, Paul Scott
writes

"Walter Briscoe" wrote in message
...
I've just had an email referring to plans to move the Stratford London
Overground platforms from 2009/01/02.

I phoned the number given in that leaflet to ask what was planned for the
current platforms. It seems they will be used for a DLR extension.

They certainly are. The DLR extension was the rationale behind the NLL
withdrawal from North Woolwich back in 2006, and the NLL 'move upstairs' has
been planned ever since the DLR project was approved.

The person who answered was not able to answer my next question: will the
Main Ticket Hall and the Jubilee Line Concourse be joined on the level
rather than via escalators, lifts and stairs as currently happens?


No, because the DLR tracks to/from Stratford International will still pass
through the station as present, although apparently the DLR platform areas
will start a bit south of the existing ones.

http://developments.dlr.co.uk/extens...ford/index.asp

You and that site confirm my fear the current arrangement will continue.
Jubilee remains inconveniently connected to streets and the bus station.
--
Walter Briscoe

"Mizter T" wrote
MIG wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
Indeed. It's is a rather odd arrangement for their

there!

to be tracks
running through a station concourse - though of course the alignment
came first, the concourse being pretty recent innovation, as it's a
result of the mid/late 90's rebuild of Stratford station for the
Jubilee Line Extension. It rather puts me in mind of the old
arrangement at Waterloo, whereby there was a little-used line that ran
through the concourse linking the L&SWR's mainlines with the SER's
lines at what is now called Waterloo East (the cast iron bridge over
Waterloo Road being a remnant of this).

It was a bit like that at Liverpool Street, where two platforms went
much further back and if you were walking along the concourse near the
buffers you'd have to go up the stairs to the walkway to get across
(or walk a long way round).

This was a remnant of the link between the Great Eastern and the
Metropolitan Railway, was it not? Afraid that's a bit before my time -
I've only ever known the 'new' Liverpool St.

No, the 'long' platforms were in the middle of the station (9 & 10?) whereas
the Met link was at the low-numbered end.

On 16 Dec, 18:54, "John Salmon" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote

MIG wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
Indeed. It's is a rather odd arrangement for their

there!

Er, yes, quite. Apols. I think I was dithering about what to say, that
said I can't see to whom I could possibly have contemplated referring
to in the course of such a sentence. Ouch.


to be tracks
running through a station concourse - though of course the alignment
came first, the concourse being pretty recent innovation, as it's a
result of the mid/late 90's rebuild of Stratford station for the
Jubilee Line Extension. It rather puts me in mind of the old
arrangement at Waterloo, whereby there was a little-used line that ran
through the concourse linking the L&SWR's mainlines with the SER's
lines at what is now called Waterloo East (the cast iron bridge over
Waterloo Road being a remnant of this).

It was a bit like that at Liverpool Street, where two platforms went
much further back and if you were walking along the concourse near the
buffers you'd have to go up the stairs to the walkway to get across
(or walk a long way round).

This was a remnant of the link between the Great Eastern and the
Metropolitan Railway, was it not? Afraid that's a bit before my time -
I've only ever known the 'new' Liverpool St.

No, the 'long' platforms were in the middle of the station (9 & 10?) whereas
the Met link was at the low-numbered end.


OK, I see. Were they the platforms that appear in these photos?
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p10601006.html
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p14105313.html
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277464.html

If so, are the stairs to that bridge those which are visible to the
left hand side of this photo?
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277470.html

(Thanks Mr Tolley!)

"Mizter T" wrote
"John Salmon" wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote
It was a bit like that at Liverpool Street, where two platforms went
much further back and if you were walking along the concourse near the
buffers you'd have to go up the stairs to the walkway to get across
(or walk a long way round).

This was a remnant of the link between the Great Eastern and the
Metropolitan Railway, was it not? Afraid that's a bit before my time -
I've only ever known the 'new' Liverpool St.

No, the 'long' platforms were in the middle of the station (9 & 10?)
whereas
the Met link was at the low-numbered end.


OK, I see. Were they the platforms that appear in these photos?
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p10601006.html
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p14105313.html
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277464.html

Yes

If so, are the stairs to that bridge those which are visible to the
left hand side of this photo?
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p13277470.html

Possibly so. I must admit that my memories of the old Liverpool Street are
fading somewhat.