Jan Buxton wrote:

The only thing in the latest Newsrail Express relating to Virgin is that
they are reinstating the no break of journey allowed on outward journey
restriction for various off-peak tickets including the 2C (ie PRE-EUS)
and 3A (ie LAN-EUS) restrictions.

Looks like these really are secret restrictions then. A quick look in
my Avantix Traveller NFM 02 and I see no mention of a BoJ restriction.

-roy

In message , at 12:49:20 on Fri, 19
Dec 2008, Roy Badami remarked:

Looks like these really are secret restrictions then.

There's no such thing.

NCOC 12: "These restrictions are set out in the notices and other
publications of the Train Companies whose trains you are entitled to
use."
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:47:06 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

NCOC 12: "These restrictions are set out in the notices and other
publications of the Train Companies whose trains you are entitled to
use."

And the Fares Manual is the conventional place for them to be
published. It seems in this case they are not...

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

In message , at 14:14:51 on Fri,
19 Dec 2008, Neil Williams remarked:
NCOC 12: "These restrictions are set out in the notices and other
publications of the Train Companies whose trains you are entitled to
use."

And the Fares Manual is the conventional place for them to be
published. It seems in this case they are not...

I would start to doubt whether or not the Fares Manual counts as being
"published", any more. The Avantix CD is called "Fares Information", and
I would expect a court to treat it as the only reasonable form of
publication for most of the restrictions we commonly discuss.
--
Roland Perry

On 19 Dec, 14:43, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:14:51 on Fri,
19 Dec 2008, Neil Williams remarked:

NCOC 12: "These restrictions are set out in the notices and other
publications of the Train Companies whose trains you are entitled to
use."

And the Fares Manual is the conventional place for them to be
published. *It seems in this case they are not...

I would start to doubt whether or not the Fares Manual counts as being
"published", any more. The Avantix CD is called "Fares Information", and
I would expect a court to treat it as the only reasonable form of
publication for most of the restrictions we commonly discuss.
--
Roland Perry

Agreed.

btw - Chiltern lift their peak restrictions (but NOT super off-peak)
from 27th to 1st January.