Chickens coming home to roost after all those unreasonable pay
settlements. Unfortunately it looks like the people who got those fat
pay rises arn't the ones who're going to suffer.

I wonder if the nasty little fascists will rejoice in others' redundancy so
much when they lose their own jobs.
But I suppose they don't work anyway ...

I don't work for TfL, because despite the 'unreasonable pay seettlements',
the pay is pretty bloody low - and TfL staff have to actually work, not sit
around looking at porn all day.

But I travel by TfL - and I don't rejoice that they are being targetted -
not least because travelling will get worse.
--
Andrew

"When 'Do no Evil' has been understood, then learn the harder, braver rule,
Do Good." ~ Arthur Guiterman

If the unions called a week-long strike, even tying it in with a week-
long nation rail strike to protest against franchises cutting jobs,
would that cost the companies concerned more in lost revenue than they
save by these probably needless redundancies? I would support Bob Crow
and his union cronies for once if they took strike action, as I
believe they represent the workers of a public service organisation,
that should be run as such, not as a company that employs people at
the behest of shareholders, consultants and the whimsy of the economic
climate.

Neill

On 30 Jan, 11:03, Neill wrote:
If the unions called a week-long strike, even tying it in with a week-
long nation rail strike to protest against franchises cutting jobs,
would that cost the companies concerned more in lost revenue than they
save by these probably needless redundancies? I would support Bob Crow
and his union cronies for once if they took strike action, as I
believe they represent the workers of a public service organisation,
that should be run as such, not as a company that employs people at
the behest of shareholders, consultants and the whimsy of the economic
climate.

Neill

Apparently the BBC is suffering because "the growth of households will
slow". They budgeted, not based on the current number of license fee
payers, but on the projected number based on the housebuilding boom.

If TFL budgeted on overly optimistic future expectations, such as fare
increases (which seem politically more unlikely in a deflationary
economy), and increase in passenger numbers (when they're actually
going to be decreasing), the will have a big budget shortfall for the
next few years. Had they budgeted on this years figures, and next
years agreed price rise, without assuming anything in the future, they
should have been ok.

The long distance TOCs will be hit by buisness travel. Last minute
£200+ open-return jaunts to Manchester are going to be rarer.

Neill wrote:
If the unions called a week-long strike, even tying it in with a week-
long nation rail strike to protest against franchises cutting jobs,
would that cost the companies concerned more in lost revenue than they
save by these probably needless redundancies?

That would be the mandatory redundancies which the article specifically says
will be avoided?

I would support Bob Crow
and his union cronies for once if they took strike action, as I
believe they represent the workers of a public service organisation,
that should be run as such, not as a company that employs people at
the behest of shareholders, consultants and the whimsy of the economic
climate.

Yeah, comrade! Can I point out the glaring contradiction between the words
"Bob Crow and his union represent the workers" and "public service
organisation"? While obviously a compromise must be struck between the
interests of Undergound employees and the interests of the public, they are
heading in opposite directions, and to invoke the word "public" when
discussing Bob Crow's actions, which have always been contrary to the
interest of the public, is utterly dishonest.

People in the private sector are losing jobs all over. If this latest move
helps to keep business rates down and prevents businesses going to the wall,
it will be a good thing for Londoners as a whole.

On Jan 30, 9:32 am, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
I don't work for TfL, because despite the 'unreasonable pay seettlements',
the pay is pretty bloody low - and TfL staff have to actually work, not sit

Pretty bloody low? You might want to check this out.

http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-sa...be_Driver_3207

around looking at porn all day.

Yeah ,. because thats what everyone in an office does. If they want to
get fired.

B2003

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:06:39AM -0800, wrote:
On Jan 30, 9:32 am, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
I don't work for TfL, because despite the 'unreasonable pay seettlements',
the pay is pretty bloody low - and TfL staff have to actually work, not sit
Pretty bloody low? You might want to check this out.
http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-sa...be_Driver_3207

I'd say 40k's pretty bloody low given the level of responsibility *for
peoples' lives*, the consequences of error, the antisocial hours, ...

It's certainly not enough to make me want to do it.

--
David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive

Us Germans take our humour very seriously
-- German cultural attache talking to the Today Programme,
about the German supposed lack of a sense of humour, 29 Aug 2001

On Feb 5, 12:16*pm, David Cantrell wrote:
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:06:39AM -0800, wrote:
On Jan 30, 9:32 am, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
I don't work for TfL, because despite the 'unreasonable pay seettlements',
the pay is pretty bloody low - and TfL staff have to actually work, not sit
Pretty bloody low? You might want to check this out.
http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-sa...be_Driver_3207

I'd say 40k's pretty bloody low given the level of responsibility *for
peoples' lives*, the consequences of error, the antisocial hours, ...

Oh please. Its far more dangerous on the roads than driving a train
protected by trip cocks or run but ATO. How many bus accidents are
there compared with tube ones? As for the hours , I agree its probably
not pleasent , but plenty of other trades work hours just as bad or
even worse. 24 hour plumbers, pest control, milkmen etc.

B2003

In message
,
writes
How many bus accidents are
there compared with tube ones?

The defence of the Driver's wage rests, me lud...!

;-)
--
Kenny

"David Cantrell" wrote in message
...
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 09:06:39AM -0800, wrote:
On Jan 30, 9:32 am, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
I don't work for TfL, because despite the 'unreasonable pay
seettlements',
the pay is pretty bloody low - and TfL staff have to actually work, not
sit
Pretty bloody low? You might want to check this out.
http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-sa...be_Driver_3207

I'd say 40k's pretty bloody low given the level of responsibility *for
peoples' lives*, the consequences of error, the antisocial hours, ...

It's certainly not enough to make me want to do it.

--
David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive

Us Germans take our humour very seriously
-- German cultural attache talking to the Today Programme,
about the German supposed lack of a sense of humour, 29 Aug 2001

That would be about twice a nurse's wage I think. Just as well some people
are prepared to do that job.

Kevin

"Andrew Heenan" wrote in message
...
Chickens coming home to roost after all those unreasonable pay
settlements. Unfortunately it looks like the people who got those fat
pay rises arn't the ones who're going to suffer.

I wonder if the nasty little fascists will rejoice in others' redundancy
so much when they lose their own jobs.
But I suppose they don't work anyway ...

I don't work for TfL, because despite the 'unreasonable pay seettlements',
the pay is pretty bloody low - and TfL staff have to actually work, not
sit around looking at porn all day.

But I travel by TfL - and I don't rejoice that they are being targetted -
not least because travelling will get worse.
--
Andrew

"When 'Do no Evil' has been understood, then learn the harder, braver
rule, Do Good." ~ Arthur Guiterman
Right so we have to put up with sky high fares, crap service, held to ransom
by strikes and now we have to feel sorry that some of them are losing their
jobs.
I am rejoicing in them being made redundant, well I am out of work too but I
am, presumably, one of the lazy, overpaid, porn watching workers.

Kevin