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On Mar 14, 2:39 pm, MIG wrote:

I find it hard to believe that the timing of the service is all that
precise in practice. My impression is that they always wait around
anyway, at Aldgate East, Earls Court and just about anywhere.

Underground working times are in half minute blocks and yes, the
timing are that precise for the working timetables. Of course,
individual trains won't all run exactly to the timings, but they
should be close.

I agree with MIG. My experience is that on the District the timings are
frequently NOT close to the WTT. It's partly because the Circle Line is
prone to delays that it can't recover from, but the District itself
often gets its trains out of sequence, as you can see any day at Earl's
Court westbound. In my view LU have done little over the last 30 years
to improve punctuality and frequency of the District. The WTT is a nice
theoretical exercise, but in practice I don't see much effort put into
making it a reality on a minute-by-minute basis.
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Richard J.
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I've read that a 'steel framed box' is being built to allow building
work to proceed 24/7 around the running railway. No idea about the
signalling, although you would have to assume that the timescales
would allow some changes to be worthwhile.

What would it take to reset a starter signal to a standard wayside

Has anyone any idea where the displaced passengers have ended up,
the advice seems to be to either walk to Mansion House or Temple,

Whichever is closer, I supppose.

More or less the same distance, so Mansion House for eastbound, Temple
for westbound (District/Circle in both cases, of course).

But isn't Mansion House closed at weekends? And if so, wouldn't it be
a good idea to open it during the Blackfriars closure?

With Cannon Street also closed at weekends, it will be fast from
Temple to Monument :-)

Mansion House does not close at weekends, only Cannon Street.

Peter Smyth

On Mar 14, 10:35*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 14, 2:39 pm, MIG wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the timing of the service is all that
precise in practice. *My impression is that they always wait around
anyway, at Aldgate East, Earls Court and just about anywhere.
Underground working times are in half minute blocks and yes, the
timing are that precise for the working timetables. Of course,
individual trains won't all run exactly to the timings, but they
should be close.

I agree with MIG. *My experience is that on the District the timings are
frequently NOT close to the WTT. *It's partly because the Circle Line is
prone to delays that it can't recover from, but the District itself
often gets its trains out of sequence, as you can see any day at Earl's
Court westbound. *In my view LU have done little over the last 30 years
to improve punctuality and frequency of the District. The WTT is a nice
theoretical exercise, but in practice I don't see much effort put into
making it a reality on a minute-by-minute basis.

But the delays vary from day to day. You still need a working plan. I
agree that LUL have done little to vary the timetable, but I don't
know what they can do without reducing the current frequency. It will
be interesting to see if the Tea-Cup service helps, as it will remove
the Circle line delays.

On Mar 14, 11:00 pm, "Peter Smyth" wrote:

But isn't Mansion House closed at weekends? And if so, wouldn't it be
a good idea to open it during the Blackfriars closure?

With Cannon Street also closed at weekends, it will be fast from
Temple to Monument :-)

Mansion House does not close at weekends, only Cannon Street.

Cannon Street closes only Sundays, it is open 0730-1930 Saturdays.

--
Nick

wrote:

Since Blackfriars is going to be closed for a considerable length of time,
almost three years, will LUL put up partitions at the platform edges and
allow trains to run through there at speed? What would it take to reset the
start signals to normal waysides, since now they are in essence draw ups.


The only information I can find regarding the Blackfriars closure is the
Westbound starter (Signal A828) being changed from automatic to approach
control.

Cheers,

Barry

On Mar 15, 12:16*am, wrote:
On Mar 14, 11:00 pm, "Peter Smyth" wrote:

But isn't Mansion House closed at weekends? And if so, wouldn't it be
a good idea to open it during the Blackfriars closure?
With Cannon Street also closed at weekends, it will be fast from
Temple to Monument :-)
Mansion House does not close at weekends, only Cannon Street.

Cannon Street closes only Sundays, it is open 0730-1930 Saturdays.

--
Nick

Has it been open longer during the Bank interchange nonsense?

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Mansion House does not close at weekends, only Cannon Street.

In which case I stand corrected - unlike TfL's website, which states that
the ticket office at Mansion House is closed on Saturdays and Sundays. Or
are they saying that the station is open but the ticket office is closed?

Regards

Jonathan

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:36:36 -0000, "Jonathan Morton"
wrote:

In which case I stand corrected - unlike TfL's website, which states that
the ticket office at Mansion House is closed on Saturdays and Sundays. Or
are they saying that the station is open but the ticket office is closed?

I think so, yes.

I've never quite understood the point of having both Cannon St and
Monument - they're so close together.

Neil

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"Neil Williams" wrote

I've never quite understood the point of having both Cannon St and
Monument - they're so close together.

Cannon Street for interchange with Southeastern; Monument for interchange
with Bank when all the escalators are working it's quite a good interchange
with the Northern Line, and better than Tower Hill/Tower Gateway for
connecting to the DLR.

Peter

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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:36:36 -0000, "Jonathan Morton"
wrote:

In which case I stand corrected - unlike TfL's website, which states that
the ticket office at Mansion House is closed on Saturdays and Sundays. Or
are they saying that the station is open but the ticket office is closed?

I think so, yes.

I've never quite understood the point of having both Cannon St and
Monument - they're so close together.

In fact Mansion House, Cannon Street, Monument and Bank are all very close.
Obviously we know that Monument and Bank are connected because the Northern
Line platforms are on King William Street - in effect between Monument and
the rest of Bank. I guess that's the reason for Monument continuing to
exist. Cannon Street at least has a link to a main line station.

To be fair, the proliferation of stations in the City doesn't really do any
harm, and it does allow one to use the correct Underground technique of
walking slightly further if it avoids a change. I remember my brother's
technique in the early 80s. His nearest station was Holland Park and he
worked at St Paul's. Normally, therefore, a Central Line journey. But during
the early 80s strikes he would walk to Notting Hill Gate, stand on the
bridge over the tracks, and take the first Circle Line train to appear in
either direction - getting off at Farringdon or Blackfriars as the case may
be.

Regards

Jonathan