On Mar 24, 5:42*am, Michael Bell wrote:
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On Mar 23, 11:02 pm, Michael Bell wrote:
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On Mar 23, 1:58 pm, TimB wrote:
On Mar 23, 8:42 pm, "tim....." wrote:

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Aha. So they're saying 'It is much cheaper to safeguard the land at
the start' [for quadrupling] rather than actually planning to build
four tracks from the start. Fair enough. And the plan is to connect
with Heathrow Express at Old Oak rather than running the HSL via
Heathrow - also sensible, I think.
This looks excellent. *I will believe when constructions starts!
Although, I am not convinced that a Central London (Well Camden)
terminal is impossible. *Accessing Euston with its spare capacity
would not be that difficult.

So we are going to have these massive double-deck trains coming in
every 4 minutes, and onward transport, chiefly the tube, is not going
to be overwhelmed? It can only just cope now!
They're clearly pinning their hopes on Crossrail. Although it's also
near Willesden Jn for NLR and WLR, plus Central line.
* Tim

And despite the "desperate need for Crossrail" that was given reason
for building it, Crossrail will have plenty of capacity to take
passengers from these BIG trains? Double-deck. Every 4 minutes.

I Have my doubts.

That's why I like Ove Arup's suggestion of extending the CTRL from a
new St. Pancras (North), maybe via Paddington, Heathrow and then
north.

The trains would start at Ebbsfleet (does that count as a "London"
station, then stop at Stratford...etc

IMHO Ove Arup had it right. The route coming in from Stratford should
branch before St Pancras and continue to Willesden. I have my doubts
about Heathrow. It would be better to swing north towards Northolt.

The link between HS1 and HS2 should be used for Paris/Brussels to
Birmingham/Manchester trains.

IMHO Euston is probably the best London Terminus for London to
Birmingham/Manchester and the North train. This is despite the fact
that Euston is a cold Polsonite 1960s structure.

On 24 Mar, 17:36, wrote:

IMHO Euston is probably the best London Terminus for London to
Birmingham/Manchester and the North train. *This is despite the fact
that Euston is a cold Polsonite 1960s structure.

Cold in an emotional sense, maybe. But not in a physical sense -
while people are freezing their proverbials off in nice-looking
traditional stations, the Euston concourse is nice and warm, and
equally nice and cool on a hot day.

It has its faults, but it is probably my favourite London terminus.

Neil

On Mar 24, 10:58*am, Neil Williams wrote:
On 24 Mar, 17:36, wrote:

IMHO Euston is probably the best London Terminus for London to
Birmingham/Manchester and the North train. *This is despite the fact
that Euston is a cold Polsonite 1960s structure.

Cold in an emotional sense, maybe. *But not in a physical sense -
while people are freezing their proverbials off in nice-looking
traditional stations, the Euston concourse is nice and warm, and
equally nice and cool on a hot day.

With that I cannot disagree.

It has its faults, but it is probably my favourite London terminus.

So often Neil, I agree with your comments. On this one we differ.
Euston is my least favorite.

Euston Station is architecturally unappealing (to me). It is way back
from Euston Road. When one has reached the building it is still a
long way to the platforms and their awful ramps.

On 24 Mar, 18:07, wrote:

So often Neil, I agree with your comments. *On this one we differ.
Euston is my least favorite.

Euston Station is architecturally unappealing (to me). *It is way back
from Euston Road. *When one has reached the building it is still a
long way to the platforms and their awful ramps.

The front is nothing special and the platforms are a bit dire, but the
circulating area is really nice. For a start - and thanks to those
ramps - it's the only non-draughty station in London.

Ian

On 24 Mar, 17:36, wrote:

IMHO Euston is probably the best London Terminus for London to
Birmingham/Manchester and the North train. *This is despite the fact
that Euston is a cold Polsonite 1960s structure.

Are you sure you don't mean "Poulsonite"?

Anyway, I don't think it's cold at all. It's a lovely airy space, and
viewed from the balcony is really quite exhilarating.

Ian

On Mar 24, 11:01*am, The Real Doctor
wrote:
On 24 Mar, 17:36, wrote:

IMHO Euston is probably the best London Terminus for London to
Birmingham/Manchester and the North train. *This is despite the fact
that Euston is a cold Polsonite 1960s structure.

Are you sure you don't mean "Poulsonite"?

No, I mean it commons from the "lowest common denominator, concrete
communism" school beloved by Scotland's benefactor, and uk.railway
village idiot, Polson.

Anyway, I don't think it's cold at all. It's a lovely airy space, and
viewed from the balcony is really quite exhilarating.

Each to their own doc. For the reasons listed elsewhere in this
thread, I do not like it. "It ain't got soul".

On Mar 24, 11:01 am, The Real Doctor
wrote:

On 24 Mar, 17:36, wrote:

IMHO Euston is probably the best London Terminus for London to
Birmingham/Manchester and the North train. This is despite the fact
that Euston is a cold Polsonite 1960s structure.


Are you sure you don't mean "Poulsonite"?



No, I mean it comes from the "lowest common denominator, concrete
communism" school beloved by Scotland's benefactor, and uk.railway
village idiot, Polson.


Anyway, I don't think it's cold at all. It's a lovely airy space, and
viewed from the balcony is really quite exhilarating.


Each to their own doc. For the reasons listed elsewhere in this
thread, I do not like it. "It ain't got soul".

On 24 Mar, 18:01, The Real Doctor wrote:

Anyway, I don't think it's cold at all. It's a lovely airy space, and
viewed from the balcony is really quite exhilarating.

Never been on there. I keep meaning, when delayed, to have a meal in
the pub that's up there, but always end up not doing in the end.

But I really do like Euston. Just about its only major fault (now the
obstructive retail units have been removed) is the "rush" for trains
when they're called - and I think that could be easily resolved by
calling them far earlier (say as soon as the train has cleared of
passengers after arrival) and just locking the passenger doors while
cleaning is in progress.

Neil