On Mar 24, 9:11*pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:59:22 GMT, (Neil

Williams) wrote:
Talking to London Midland about something they were going to do
anyway, you mean? *It was their idea, and they told me about it at a
Meet the Manager about 6 months ago, though at that point it was

Actually possibly it wasn't that long ago. *But still...

Neil

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Steve Banaghan did mention it at an Abfly meeting last October, but
said it would probably come in December 2010.

John Burke

Steve Banaghan did mention it at an Abfly meeting last October, but
said it would probably come in December 2010.

John Burke

Sorry December 2009!

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On Mar 24, 9:11 pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:59:22 GMT,
(Neil

Williams) wrote:
Talking to London Midland about something they were going to do
anyway, you mean? It was their idea, and they told me about it at a
Meet the Manager about 6 months ago, though at that point it was

Actually possibly it wasn't that long ago. But still...


Steve Banaghan did mention it at an Abfly meeting last October, but
said it would probably come in December 2010.


I wonder if back then they were not expecting to retain any 321s once the
350/2s had all arrived. Originally all 37 321s were lined up for other TOCs
in the DfT rolling stock plan. So the extra services would require the later
additions planned for the LM fleet.

It is still possible that however many 321s they initially retain, they will
subsequently be replaced by more 350s anyway.

Paul S

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:49:08 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

I wonder if back then they were not expecting to retain any 321s once the
350/2s had all arrived.

They were - they let slip that they were keeping 7 at the MtM before
the one when they mentioned the Watford services, as I recall.

Neil

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On Mar 24, 9:51*pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:49:08 -0000, "Paul Scott"

wrote:
I wonder if back then they were not expecting to retain any 321s once the
350/2s had all arrived.

They were - they let slip that they were keeping 7 at the MtM before
the one when they mentioned the Watford services, as I recall.


Maybe LM persuaded DfT that it was a bit silly to be trumpeting an
increase in capacity without LM actually having any more units to run
their services. I assume that the 321s will be kept at least until LM
get their share of the 1300 DfT vehicles (although that was only an
extra 4 x 4 coach units for Euston - Northampton) or maybe until the
planned IEP units arrive to replace the Northampton Fasts.

On 24 Mar, 21:49, "Paul Scott" wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 24, 9:11 pm, (Neil Williams)
wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:59:22 GMT,
(Neil

Williams) wrote:
Talking to London Midland about something they were going to do
anyway, you mean? It was their idea, and they told me about it at a
Meet the Manager about 6 months ago, though at that point it was

Actually possibly it wasn't that long ago. But still...

Steve Banaghan did mention it at an Abfly meeting last October, but
said it would probably come in December 2010.

I wonder if back then they were not expecting to retain any 321s once the
350/2s had all arrived. Originally all 37 321s were lined up for other TOCs
in the DfT rolling stock plan. So the extra services would require the later
additions planned for the LM fleet.

It is still possible that however many 321s they initially retain, they will
subsequently be replaced by more 350s anyway.

Paul S

Yes, there's an OJEU notice out for between 8 and 11 four-car trains
(to replace the retained 321s?) and 18 3-car trains.
The guess (and it really is a guess) is that the DfT has decided to
send the 323s to Northern, rather than order new trains there, and put
new trains into the West Midlands.
Assuming these trains have to work with the existing fleet the spec
all but says "Desiro" on it, and this would be quite sensible - give
two TOCs a single-train-type fleet rather than splits.

Tony

On 24 Mar, 21:41, wrote:

Steve Banaghan did mention it at an Abfly meeting last October, but
said it would probably come in December 2010.

The logical conclusion to this in my view is that the infrastructure
work should be done to allow through running to St Albans on a half-
hourly 8-car service to/from Euston throughout the day with a few peak
extras, and to withdraw all stops south of Watford (and some at
Watford) from other services.

Neil

On 25 Mar, 10:01, Neil Williams wrote:
On 24 Mar, 21:41, wrote:

Steve Banaghan did mention it at an Abfly meeting last October, but
said it would probably come in December 2010.

The logical conclusion to this in my view is that the infrastructure
work should be done to allow through running to St Albans on a half-
hourly 8-car service to/from Euston throughout the day with a few peak
extras, and to withdraw all stops south of Watford (and some at
Watford) from other services.


8 coach services to St. Albans looks expensive!! All of the stations
would need extended platforms and St. Albans Abbey might be a bit
cramped to fit a longer platform in. I'm not saying that it isn't a
good idea, but it would be easier to get the 30 min service running
first, with the loop at Bricket Wood (which was the original plan) and
maybe adding 4 coaches at Watford Junction. I.e. work the service like
the Birmingham services which detach / attach at Northampton.

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:23:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

8 coach services to St. Albans looks expensive!! All of the stations
would need extended platforms and St. Albans Abbey might be a bit
cramped to fit a longer platform in. I'm not saying that it isn't a
good idea, but it would be easier to get the 30 min service running
first, with the loop at Bricket Wood (which was the original plan) and
maybe adding 4 coaches at Watford Junction. I.e. work the service like
the Birmingham services which detach / attach at Northampton.

Fair point, and you'd require 2 fewer units (I think), as the two that
were on the branch while 1 is sitting in the platform at Watford would
only be 4-car.

Neil

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8 coach services to St. Albans looks expensive!! All of the stations
would need extended platforms and St. Albans Abbey might be a bit
cramped to fit a longer platform in. I'm not saying that it isn't a
good idea, but it would be easier to get the 30 min service running
first, with the loop at Bricket Wood (which was the original plan) and
maybe adding 4 coaches at Watford Junction. I.e. work the service like
the Birmingham services which detach / attach at Northampton.

Fair point, and you'd require 2 fewer units (I think), as the two that
were on the branch while 1 is sitting in the platform at Watford would
only be 4-car.


Plus realign the track from the St Albans Abbey line back into
platform 10 at Watford Junction and save plenty of money on having to
re-signal from the main line into the existing platform 11, and while
they are at it, they can put the track back in next to platform 10!

John Burke