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![]() Motorist denied court hearings, asks Mayor where he stands A London motorist has written to the Mayor of London for an answer, over his alleged unlawfulness of the Parking and Traffic Appeals Service (PATAS) and other courts, in denying him a hearing, against his alleged illegality of Transport for London (TFL)’s Congestion Charge Penalty Charge Scheme (but not the rest of the congestion charging scheme). He is doing this, because he thinks, he is being denied justice and right, by oppressive and unconstitutional action by servants of the government, as he cannot get heard in the courts, and thinks the Mayor is partly responsible. Victor Lilley, of Hayes, Middlesex, wants to know, amongst other things, what is Boris Johnson’s position, on the continuing allegation that PATAS is not independent, and the continuing defence by TFL and PATAS, that it is. TFL issue congestion charging penalty charge notices to motorists, and are controlled by the Greater London Council (GLA). PATAS’s road user charging adjudicator’s hear appeals against those penalty charges, and is run by London Councils, a consortium of the London Boroughs. Lilley said, ‘The GLA has a strategic role over things such as transport, while the London Boroughs run most of the day to day services. This means London Boroughs are not independent of the GLA. For example, the London Borough of Hillingdon had to ask the Major of London to turn Judge Heath Lane Stadium in Hayes into a housing estate. As London Boroughs are not independent of the GLA, nor is their consortium, London Councils. Therefore, as PATAS is run by London Councils, it is not independent of the GLA. As the GLA controls TFL, then PATAS is not independent of TFL. When a tribunal acts judicially it must follow certain unwritten rules of common law known as natural justice. Natural justice includes the rule against bias ‘no man may be a judge in his own cause.’ An appeal before PATAS would normally include the Claimant, the motorist, appealing against the penalty charge, and TFL, the Defendant, who issued the penalty charge. As PATAS is not independent of TFL, it is operating unlawfully. It is immaterial whether a judicial decision is, in fact, biased, because ‘Justice should not only be done, but should be manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done.’ ‘ The GLA, also pay PATAS’s road user charging adjudicator’s, via the London Councils, according to the Road User Charging Adjudicators annual report 2005-2006 page 10. So the GLA, controls both, the issue of penalties, via TFL, and the payment of adjudicators who judge appeals against those fines. Consequently, PATAS is not independent, because it is dependent on its income from a source (GLA), that controls a defendant (TFL) to appeals that PATAS judges, claims Lilley. He also argues, that according to the GLA Act 1999, section 16(1), the net proceeds from the scheme (including the income from penalties) in the first 10 years, can only be spent on the Authority (GLA), TFL or a London Borough Council. Consequently, London Councils, the consortium, can benefit from the penalty income, as well, because a London Borough Council is one its members. So PATAS’ adjudicators jobs, depend on their employer, London Councils, whose members can benefit from PATAS dismissing appeals. So PATAS is not independent. The Parliamentary Under-secretary of State for Tribunals and Administrative Justice, who is one of the defendants, is not defending this claim, and by the court rules 16.5(5) the allegation is taken as admitted. The Mayor is the head of the GLA. As the claim is a legacy of the previous administration, but now the responsibility of the current Mayor, Boris Johnson, the motorist wants to know, what the Mayor is going to do about it. This is especially, as Lilley is currently demanding, that his claim be heard in the Court of Appeal. ‘TFL have taken over £502m in congestion charge penalty charges from London motorists, from the start of the scheme until 28 February 2008, which is 41% of the £1.2bn congestion charge income, as a whole, over the same period. £10m a month in penalties have been taken thereafter. This is according to TFL’s figures supplied by them to me’ said Lilley. ‘Given that no reasonable person would pay a fine, rather than just a charge, it follows that the penalty charge scheme, by generating such high levels of fines, is unreasonable.’ He also points out that ‘It is very easy not to realise you have incurred the charge, or forget you have. Yet TFL do not send a Congestion Charge Notice to the motorist, to pay the charge to avoid the penalty. No, instead, they send you a Penalty Charge Notice for up to 30 times the charge. I see this as unlawful, for example, on grounds of the tort of negligence for non-notification, and by contravening the Bill of Rights 1689, because it is a fine before conviction, and an excessive fine. So it is ultra vires (outside the powers) of what TFL is lawfully allowed to do.’ Lilley, acting as a litigant in person, is sick of not getting his claim heard. The case has been going on since his complaint letter to TFL of 10 September 2004. He alleges, that TFL did not answer this properly and PATAS ignored his claim of unreasonable and ultra vires, both on appeal and review. The Uxbridge County Court refused to hear the claim at an expected preliminary hearing, on grounds of no jurisdiction, and at an appeal hearing in the Central London County Court, he was told to come back with more law for ultra vires, but they refused to hear his claim of unreasonableness on the grounds of lack of power. When he came back to that court with more law, they refused to hear it on grounds of no jurisdiction. Taking these courts to judicial review, the Administrative Court refused to give him more than 30 minutes for the permission to appeal hearing, despite being asked for more time beforehand, and it obviously being a large case. So it was impossible for Lilley to get a fair hearing, because there was not enough time for his case to be heard. The judge thought the claim was out of time (put in too late), and despite Lilley rebutting this, it was still judged as out of time, but no reasons were given for the decision. The Judge then managed to find time to judge some of the rest of the claim, despite denying Lilley the time to be heard on those issues. Also, before the hearing, Lilley read on the Environmental Law website, that the most common excuse for dismissing cases, brought by litigants in persons applying for judicial review, was that the claim was out of time. So that result was predicted. Yet 6 (75%) of the 8 defendants are not even defending the claim, including the Uxbridge and Central London County Courts. These denial of hearings, were on the instigation and encouragement of TFL & PATAS, he claims. ‘We are supposed to be protected from not getting a hearing by; the common law natural justice rule, Audi alteram partem (‘hear the other side’); Magna Carta 1215 & 1297; and the Human Rights Act 1998, Article 6. Also, from bias, by the natural justice rule ‘no man may be a judge in his own cause,’ and more recently, the Constitutional Reform Act 2005, section 3, in which the Lord Chancellor and the Ministers of the Crown are suppose to ‘uphold the continued independence of the judiciary. The right to a hearing, and the independence of the judiciary from the government (the legislative and the executive, local or central), is fundamental to our constitution. ‘So this long drawn out case has become an oppressive and unconstitutional action by the servants of the government, and what started off as a claim for just £45, has turned into one of £12.4m, in exemplary damages.’ said Lilley. As Boris Johnson controls TFL directly, via the GLA, and is PATAS’ road user charging adjudicator’s paymaster, via London Councils, Lilley thinks he should force TFL and PATAS to admit liability to his claim, and work with himself, and the Court of Appeal, to put things right, via a hearing. Apart from taking steps to make PATAS independent, and making the congestion charge penalty charge scheme legal, he should also encourage an independent review of the Administrative Court, whose alleged bias towards TFL & PATAS, brings their independence into question as well, Lilley argues. In a nutshell, he wants to know, is the Mayor going to be part of the problem, or part of the solution? ‘I also want, and need, your reader’s support,’ said Lilley. ‘What I am doing is for your reader’s benefit as well. Something similar, or worse, could happen to them, if they do not take action to stop such denial of justice and right. Please realise this is not just about penalty charges, but also the more general issue of not being able to get a hearing, fines before conviction, and excessive fines. This issues go back centuries, and our ancestors have fought and died to give us rights against them. ‘ Because of the continuing expense in mounting the case, and the potential risk of £50,000 in costs, which acts as a deterrent to anyone trying to stand up to TFL, Lilley has formed a non-profit company UPFA Ltd (Unfair Public Fines Action) to raise funds to fight the case, defend our rights, and eventually help others in a similar position. So, if you are ‘upfa’ it, donations can be made by sending a cheque to payable to ‘UPFA Ltd’, to UPFA Ltd, at 16 Kingsway, Hayes, Middlesex, UB3 2TY, or alternatively by making credit card payment on www. upfa.org.uk. He also asks readers to take action to encourage others to do the same, by disseminating this information. An electronic copy is available on the web site. As Edmund Burke said ‘All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing.’ --end-- For further information contact: Victor Lilley, Director, UPFA Ltd Tel: 020 8573 3911, Email: . Note to Editors: Sub judice and Contempt of Court. I am not a lawyer but this is my opinion:- The sub judice rule regarding media comment is constrained by the Contempt of Court Act 1981, according to ‘The sub judice rule,’ House of Commons Library, Standard Note: SN/PC/1141, 31 July 2007. The Contempt of Court Act 1981 does not apply in this case because:- 1. P1s1: The Strict Liability Rule 1.1 ‘As tending to interfere with the course of justice in particular legal proceedings’ 1.1.1 Does not apply, because publication is not interfering with the course of ‘justice,’ but trying to get a case heard that the courts are refusing to hear, which is an injustice. 2. P2 s4 Contemporary reports of proceedings 2.1 ‘—(l) Subject to this section a person is not guilty of contempt of court under the strict liability rule in respect of a fair and accurate report of legal proceedings held in public, published contemporaneously and in good faith.’ 2.1.1 This depends on your interpretation of the word contemporaneously. The date of last decision in the courts was 30 January 2009. This depended on previous decisions going back to 2004. This applies if you view that as contemporaneously. 3. P3 s5 Discussion of public affairs 3.1 ‘A publication made as or as part of a discussion in good faith or other matters of general public interest is not to be treated as a contempt of court under the strict liability rule if the risk of impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings is merely incidental to the discussion.’ 3.1.1 This applies because there is no risk of impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings, because there is already impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings, by the case not being heard, and publication seeks to alleviate that. 4. P3s6(a) 4.1 ‘Nothing in the foregoing provisions of this Act. (a) prejudices any defence available at common law to a charge of contempt of court under the strict liability rule;’ 4.1.1 Natural Justice is common law. 4.1.2 A rule of natural justice is Audi alteram partem (‘hear the other side’) This is a right to be heard. This claim has not been heard. Therefore this act cannot prejudice that common law right. Victor G Lilley Director, UPFA Ltd. |
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![]() On 26 Mar, 16:38, Vic Lilley wrote: Motorist denied court hearings, asks Mayor where he stands A London motorist has written to the Mayor of London for an answer, over his alleged unlawfulness of the Parking and Traffic Appeals Service (PATAS) and other courts, in denying him a hearing, against his alleged illegality of Transport for London (TFL)’s Congestion Charge Penalty Charge Scheme (but not the rest of the congestion charging scheme). He is doing this, because he thinks, he is being denied justice and right, by oppressive and unconstitutional action by servants of the government, as he cannot get heard in the courts, and thinks the Mayor is partly responsible. Victor Lilley, of Hayes, Middlesex, wants to know, amongst other things, what is Boris Johnson’s position, on the continuing allegation that PATAS is not independent, and the continuing defence by TFL and PATAS, that it is. TFL issue congestion charging penalty charge notices to motorists, and are controlled by *the Greater London Council (GLA). PATAS’s road user charging adjudicator’s hear appeals against those penalty charges, and is run by London Councils, a consortium of the London Boroughs. Lilley said, ‘The GLA has a strategic role over things such as transport, while the London Boroughs run most of the day to day services. This means London Boroughs are not independent of the GLA. For example, the London Borough of Hillingdon had to ask the Major of London to turn Judge Heath Lane Stadium in Hayes into a housing estate. As London Boroughs are not independent of the GLA, nor is their consortium, London Councils. Therefore, as PATAS is run by London Councils, it is not independent of the GLA. As the GLA controls TFL, then PATAS is not independent of TFL. *When a tribunal acts judicially it must follow certain unwritten rules of *common law known as natural justice. Natural justice includes *the rule *against bias ‘no man may be a judge in his own cause.’ *An appeal before PATAS would normally include the Claimant, the motorist, appealing against the penalty charge, and TFL, the Defendant, who issued the penalty charge. As PATAS is not independent of TFL, it is operating unlawfully. It is immaterial whether a judicial decision is, in fact, biased, because ‘Justice *should not only be done, but should be manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done.’ ‘ The GLA, also pay PATAS’s road user charging adjudicator’s, via the London Councils, according to the Road User Charging Adjudicators annual report 2005-2006 page 10. So the GLA, controls both, the issue of penalties, via TFL, and the payment of adjudicators who judge appeals against those fines. Consequently, PATAS is not independent, because it is dependent on its income from a source (GLA), that controls a defendant (TFL) to appeals that PATAS judges, claims Lilley. He also argues, that according to the GLA Act 1999, section 16(1), the net proceeds from the scheme (including the income from penalties) in the first 10 years, can only be spent on the Authority (GLA), TFL or a London Borough Council. Consequently, London Councils, the consortium, can benefit from the penalty income, as well, because a London Borough Council is one its members. So PATAS’ adjudicators jobs, depend on their employer, London Councils, whose members can benefit from PATAS dismissing appeals. So PATAS is not independent. The Parliamentary Under-secretary of State for Tribunals and Administrative Justice, who is one of the defendants, is not defending this claim, and by the court rules 16.5(5) the allegation is taken as admitted. The Mayor is the head of the GLA. *As the claim is a legacy of the previous administration, but now the responsibility of the current Mayor, Boris Johnson, the motorist wants to know, what the Mayor is going to do about it. This is especially, as Lilley is currently demanding, that his claim be heard in the Court of Appeal. ‘TFL have taken over £502m in congestion charge penalty charges *from London motorists, from the start of the scheme until 28 February 2008, which is 41% of the £1.2bn congestion charge income, as a whole, over the same period. £10m a month in penalties have been taken thereafter. This is according to TFL’s figures supplied by them to me’ said Lilley. ‘Given that no reasonable person would pay a fine, rather than just a charge, it follows that the penalty charge scheme, by generating such high levels of fines, is unreasonable.’ He also points out that *‘It is very easy not to realise you have incurred the charge, or forget you have. Yet TFL do not send a Congestion Charge Notice to the motorist, to pay the charge to avoid the penalty. No, instead, they send you a Penalty Charge Notice for up to 30 times the charge. I see this as unlawful, for example, on grounds of the tort of negligence for non-notification, and by contravening the Bill of Rights 1689, because it is a fine before conviction, and an excessive fine. So it is ultra vires (outside the powers) of what TFL is lawfully allowed to do.’ Lilley, acting as a litigant in person, *is sick of not getting his claim heard. The *case has been going on since his complaint letter to TFL of 10 September 2004. He alleges, that TFL did not answer this properly and PATAS ignored his claim of unreasonable and ultra vires, both on appeal and review. The Uxbridge County Court refused to hear the claim at an expected preliminary hearing, on grounds of no jurisdiction, and at an appeal hearing in the Central London County Court, he was told to come back with more law for ultra vires, but they refused to hear his claim of unreasonableness on the grounds of lack of power. When he came back to that court with more law, they refused to hear it on grounds of no jurisdiction. Taking these courts to judicial review, the Administrative Court refused to give him more than 30 minutes for the permission to appeal hearing, despite being asked for more time beforehand, and it obviously being *a large case. So it was impossible for Lilley to get a fair hearing, because there was not enough time for his case to be heard. The judge thought the claim was out of time (put in too late), and despite Lilley rebutting this, it was still judged as out of time, but no reasons were given for the decision. The Judge then managed to find time to judge some of the rest of the claim, despite denying Lilley the time to be heard on those issues. *Also, before the hearing, Lilley read on the Environmental Law website, that the most common excuse for dismissing cases, brought by litigants in persons applying for judicial review, was that the claim was out of time. So that result was predicted. Yet 6 (75%) of the 8 defendants are not even defending the claim, including the Uxbridge and Central London County Courts. These denial of hearings, were on the instigation and encouragement of TFL & PATAS, he claims. ‘We are supposed to be protected from not getting a hearing by; the common law natural justice rule, Audi alteram partem (‘hear the other side’); Magna Carta 1215 & 1297; and the Human Rights Act 1998, Article 6. Also, from bias, by the natural justice rule ‘no man may be a judge in his own cause,’ and more recently, the Constitutional Reform Act 2005, section 3, in which the Lord Chancellor and the Ministers of the Crown *are suppose to ‘uphold the continued independence of the judiciary. The right to a hearing, and the independence of the judiciary from the government (the legislative and the executive, local or central), is fundamental to our constitution. ‘So this long drawn out case has become an oppressive and unconstitutional action by the servants of the government, and what started off as a claim for just £45, has turned into one of £12.4m, in exemplary damages.’ said Lilley. As Boris Johnson controls TFL directly, via the GLA, and is PATAS’ road user charging adjudicator’s paymaster, via London Councils, Lilley thinks he should force TFL and PATAS to admit liability to his claim, and work with himself, and the Court of Appeal, to put things right, via a hearing. Apart from taking steps to make PATAS independent, and making the congestion charge penalty charge scheme legal, he should also encourage an independent review of the Administrative Court, whose alleged bias towards TFL & PATAS, brings their independence into question as well, Lilley argues. In a nutshell, he wants to know, is the Mayor going to be part of the problem, or part of the solution? ‘I also want, and need, your reader’s support,’ said Lilley. ‘What I am doing is for your reader’s benefit as well. Something similar, *or worse, could happen to them, if they do not take action to stop such denial of justice and right. Please realise this is not just about penalty charges, but also the more general issue of not being able to get a hearing, fines before conviction, and excessive fines. This issues go back centuries, and our ancestors have fought and died to give us rights against them. ‘ Because of the continuing expense in mounting the case, and the potential risk of £50,000 in costs, which acts as a deterrent to anyone trying to stand up to TFL, Lilley has formed a non-profit company UPFA Ltd (Unfair Public Fines Action) to raise funds to fight the case, defend our rights, and eventually help others in a similar position. So, if you are ‘upfa’ it, donations can be made by sending a cheque to payable to ‘UPFA Ltd’, to UPFA Ltd, at 16 Kingsway, Hayes, Middlesex, UB3 2TY, or alternatively by making credit card payment on www. upfa.org.uk. He also asks readers to take action to encourage others to do the same, by disseminating this information. An electronic copy is available on the web site. As Edmund Burke said ‘All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing.’ --end-- For further information contact: Victor Lilley, Director, UPFA Ltd Tel: 020 8573 3911, Email: . Note to Editors: Sub judice and Contempt of Court. I am not a lawyer but this is my opinion:- The sub judice rule regarding media comment is constrained by the Contempt of Court Act 1981, according to ‘The sub judice rule,’ House of Commons Library, Standard Note: SN/PC/1141, 31 July 2007. The Contempt of Court Act 1981 does not apply in this case *because:- 1. P1s1: The Strict Liability Rule 1.1 ‘As tending to interfere with the course of justice in particular legal proceedings’ 1.1.1 Does not apply, because publication is not interfering with the course of ‘justice,’ but trying to get a case heard that the courts are refusing to hear, which is an injustice. 2. P2 s4 Contemporary reports of proceedings 2.1 ‘—(l) Subject to this section a person is not guilty of contempt of court under the strict liability rule in respect of a fair and accurate report of legal proceedings held in public, published contemporaneously and in good faith.’ 2.1.1 This depends on your interpretation of the word contemporaneously. The date of last decision in the courts was 30 January 2009. This depended on previous decisions going back to 2004. This applies if you view that as contemporaneously. 3. P3 s5 Discussion of public affairs 3.1 ‘A publication made as or as part of a discussion in good faith or other matters of general public interest is not to be treated as a contempt of court under the strict liability rule if the risk of impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings is merely incidental to the discussion.’ 3.1.1 This applies because there is no risk of impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings, because there is already impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings, by the case not being heard, and publication seeks to alleviate that. 4. P3s6(a) 4.1 ‘Nothing in the foregoing provisions of this Act. (a) prejudices any defence available at common law to a charge of contempt of court under the strict liability rule;’ 4.1.1 Natural Justice is common law. 4.1.2 A rule of natural justice is Audi alteram partem (‘hear the other side’) This is a right to be heard. This claim has not been heard. Therefore this act cannot prejudice that common law right. Victor G Lilley Director, UPFA Ltd. I think you've got them bang to rights, your logic is completely clear, absolutely impeccable and totally and utterly faultless. Are you going to consult a lawyer or might that dilute your argument? What's the plan - judicial review? Appeal to the House of Lords, or the European Court of Human Rights? General Assembly of the UN? ICRC? Have you considered writing to the Queen? |
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On Mar 26, 6:26*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 26 Mar, 16:38, Vic Lilley wrote: Motorist denied court hearings, asks Mayor where he stands A London motorist has written to the Mayor of London for an answer, over his alleged unlawfulness of the Parking and Traffic Appeals Service (PATAS) and other courts, in denying him a hearing, against his alleged illegality of Transport for London (TFL)’s Congestion Charge Penalty Charge Scheme (but not the rest of the congestion charging scheme). He is doing this, because he thinks, he is being denied justice and right, by oppressive and unconstitutional action by servants of the government, as he cannot get heard in the courts, and thinks the Mayor is partly responsible. Victor Lilley, of Hayes, Middlesex, wants to know, amongst other things, what is Boris Johnson’s position, on the continuing allegation that PATAS is not independent, and the continuing defence by TFL and PATAS, that it is. TFL issue congestion charging penalty charge notices to motorists, and are controlled by *the Greater London Council (GLA). PATAS’s road user charging adjudicator’s hear appeals against those penalty charges, and is run by London Councils, a consortium of the London Boroughs. Lilley said, ‘The GLA has a strategic role over things such as transport, while the London Boroughs run most of the day to day services. This means London Boroughs are not independent of the GLA. For example, the London Borough of Hillingdon had to ask the Major of London to turn Judge Heath Lane Stadium in Hayes into a housing estate. As London Boroughs are not independent of the GLA, nor is their consortium, London Councils. Therefore, as PATAS is run by London Councils, it is not independent of the GLA. As the GLA controls TFL, then PATAS is not independent of TFL. *When a tribunal acts judicially it must follow certain unwritten rules of *common law known as natural justice. Natural justice includes *the rule *against bias ‘no man may be a judge in his own cause.’ *An appeal before PATAS would normally include the Claimant, the motorist, appealing against the penalty charge, and TFL, the Defendant, who issued the penalty charge. As PATAS is not independent of TFL, it is operating unlawfully. It is immaterial whether a judicial decision is, in fact, biased, because ‘Justice *should not only be done, but should be manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done.’ ‘ The GLA, also pay PATAS’s road user charging adjudicator’s, via the London Councils, according to the Road User Charging Adjudicators annual report 2005-2006 page 10. So the GLA, controls both, the issue of penalties, via TFL, and the payment of adjudicators who judge appeals against those fines. Consequently, PATAS is not independent, because it is dependent on its income from a source (GLA), that controls a defendant (TFL) to appeals that PATAS judges, claims Lilley. He also argues, that according to the GLA Act 1999, section 16(1), the net proceeds from the scheme (including the income from penalties) in the first 10 years, can only be spent on the Authority (GLA), TFL or a London Borough Council. Consequently, London Councils, the consortium, can benefit from the penalty income, as well, because a London Borough Council is one its members. So PATAS’ adjudicators jobs, depend on their employer, London Councils, whose members can benefit from PATAS dismissing appeals. So PATAS is not independent. The Parliamentary Under-secretary of State for Tribunals and Administrative Justice, who is one of the defendants, is not defending this claim, and by the court rules 16.5(5) the allegation is taken as admitted. The Mayor is the head of the GLA. *As the claim is a legacy of the previous administration, but now the responsibility of the current Mayor, Boris Johnson, the motorist wants to know, what the Mayor is going to do about it. This is especially, as Lilley is currently demanding, that his claim be heard in the Court of Appeal. ‘TFL have taken over £502m in congestion charge penalty charges *from London motorists, from the start of the scheme until 28 February 2008, which is 41% of the £1.2bn congestion charge income, as a whole, over the same period. £10m a month in penalties have been taken thereafter.. This is according to TFL’s figures supplied by them to me’ said Lilley. ‘Given that no reasonable person would pay a fine, rather than just a charge, it follows that the penalty charge scheme, by generating such high levels of fines, is unreasonable.’ He also points out that *‘It is very easy not to realise you have incurred the charge, or forget you have. Yet TFL do not send a Congestion Charge Notice to the motorist, to pay the charge to avoid the penalty. No, instead, they send you a Penalty Charge Notice for up to 30 times the charge. I see this as unlawful, for example, on grounds of the tort of negligence for non-notification, and by contravening the Bill of Rights 1689, because it is a fine before conviction, and an excessive fine. So it is ultra vires (outside the powers) of what TFL is lawfully allowed to do.’ Lilley, acting as a litigant in person, *is sick of not getting his claim heard. The *case has been going on since his complaint letter to TFL of 10 September 2004. He alleges, that TFL did not answer this properly and PATAS ignored his claim of unreasonable and ultra vires, both on appeal and review. The Uxbridge County Court refused to hear the claim at an expected preliminary hearing, on grounds of no jurisdiction, and at an appeal hearing in the Central London County Court, he was told to come back with more law for ultra vires, but they refused to hear his claim of unreasonableness on the grounds of lack of power. When he came back to that court with more law, they refused to hear it on grounds of no jurisdiction. Taking these courts to judicial review, the Administrative Court refused to give him more than 30 minutes for the permission to appeal hearing, despite being asked for more time beforehand, and it obviously being *a large case. So it was impossible for Lilley to get a fair hearing, because there was not enough time for his case to be heard. The judge thought the claim was out of time (put in too late), and despite Lilley rebutting this, it was still judged as out of time, but no reasons were given for the decision. The Judge then managed to find time to judge some of the rest of the claim, despite denying Lilley the time to be heard on those issues. *Also, before the hearing, Lilley read on the Environmental Law website, that the most common excuse for dismissing cases, brought by litigants in persons applying for judicial review, was that the claim was out of time. So that result was predicted. Yet 6 (75%) of the 8 defendants are not even defending the claim, including the Uxbridge and Central London County Courts. These denial of hearings, were on the instigation and encouragement of TFL & PATAS, he claims. ‘We are supposed to be protected from not getting a hearing by; the common law natural justice rule, Audi alteram partem (‘hear the other side’); Magna Carta 1215 & 1297; and the Human Rights Act 1998, Article 6. Also, from bias, by the natural justice rule ‘no man may be a judge in his own cause,’ and more recently, the Constitutional Reform Act 2005, section 3, in which the Lord Chancellor and the Ministers of the Crown *are suppose to ‘uphold the continued independence of the judiciary. The right to a hearing, and the independence of the judiciary from the government (the legislative and the executive, local or central), is fundamental to our constitution. ‘So this long drawn out case has become an oppressive and unconstitutional action by the servants of the government, and what started off as a claim for just £45, has turned into one of £12.4m, in exemplary damages.’ said Lilley. As Boris Johnson controls TFL directly, via the GLA, and is PATAS’ road user charging adjudicator’s paymaster, via London Councils, Lilley thinks he should force TFL and PATAS to admit liability to his claim, and work with himself, and the Court of Appeal, to put things right, via a hearing. Apart from taking steps to make PATAS independent, and making the congestion charge penalty charge scheme legal, he should also encourage an independent review of the Administrative Court, whose alleged bias towards TFL & PATAS, brings their independence into question as well, Lilley argues. In a nutshell, he wants to know, is the Mayor going to be part of the problem, or part of the solution? ‘I also want, and need, your reader’s support,’ said Lilley. ‘What I am doing is for your reader’s benefit as well. Something similar, *or worse, could happen to them, if they do not take action to stop such denial of justice and right. Please realise this is not just about penalty charges, but also the more general issue of not being able to get a hearing, fines before conviction, and excessive fines. This issues go back centuries, and our ancestors have fought and died to give us rights against them. ‘ Because of the continuing expense in mounting the case, and the potential risk of £50,000 in costs, which acts as a deterrent to anyone trying to stand up to TFL, Lilley has formed a non-profit company UPFA Ltd (Unfair Public Fines Action) to raise funds to fight the case, defend our rights, and eventually help others in a similar position. So, if you are ‘upfa’ it, donations can be made by sending a cheque to payable to ‘UPFA Ltd’, to UPFA Ltd, at 16 Kingsway, Hayes, Middlesex, UB3 2TY, or alternatively by making credit card payment on www. upfa.org.uk. He also asks readers to take action to encourage others to do the same, by disseminating this information. An electronic copy is available on the web site. As Edmund Burke said ‘All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing.’ --end-- For further information contact: Victor Lilley, Director, UPFA Ltd Tel: 020 8573 3911, Email: . Note to Editors: Sub judice and Contempt of Court. I am not a lawyer but this is my opinion:- The sub judice rule regarding media comment is constrained by the Contempt of Court Act 1981, according to ‘The sub judice rule,’ House of Commons Library, Standard Note: SN/PC/1141, 31 July 2007. The Contempt of Court Act 1981 does not apply in this case *because:- 1. P1s1: The Strict Liability Rule 1.1 ‘As tending to interfere with the course of justice in particular legal proceedings’ 1.1.1 Does not apply, because publication is not interfering with the course of ‘justice,’ but trying to get a case heard that the courts are refusing to hear, which is an injustice. 2. P2 s4 Contemporary reports of proceedings 2.1 ‘—(l) Subject to this section a person is not guilty of contempt of court under the strict liability rule in respect of a fair and accurate report of legal proceedings held in public, published contemporaneously and in good faith.’ 2.1.1 This depends on your interpretation of the word contemporaneously. The date of last decision in the courts was 30 January 2009. This depended on previous decisions going back to 2004. This applies if you view that as contemporaneously. 3. P3 s5 Discussion of public affairs 3.1 ‘A publication made as or as part of a discussion in good faith or other matters of general public interest is not to be treated as a contempt of court under the strict liability rule if the risk of impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings is merely incidental to the discussion.’ 3.1.1 This applies because there is no risk of impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings, because there is already impediment or prejudice to particular legal proceedings, by the case not being heard, and publication seeks to alleviate that. 4. P3s6(a) 4.1 ‘Nothing in the foregoing provisions of this Act. (a) prejudices any defence available at common law to a charge of contempt of court under the strict liability rule;’ 4.1.1 Natural Justice is common law. 4.1.2 A rule of natural justice is Audi alteram partem (‘hear the other side’) This is a right to be heard. This claim has not been heard. Therefore this act cannot prejudice that common law right. Victor G Lilley Director, UPFA Ltd. I think you've got them bang to rights, your logic is completely clear, absolutely impeccable and totally and utterly faultless. Are you going to consult a lawyer or might that dilute your argument? What's the plan - judicial review? Appeal to the House of Lords, or the European Court of Human Rights? General Assembly of the UN? ICRC? Have you considered writing to the Queen? Thank you very much for your positive response, especially the bit about being completely clear. I have consulted lawyers a little at the beginning but would need a team of lawyers now, and as you suggest it appears it might be counter productive at this stage. I have a paralegal support network and everyone has provided gems on the way. I have already been to judicial review and and am currently demanding a hearing with the Court of Appeal, which you would see in the release with a second reading. I will take it as far as it needs to go, and yes I have thought of writing to the Queen. |
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Mizter T wrote:
On 26 Mar, 16:38, Vic Lilley wrote: Motorist denied court hearings, asks Mayor where he stands [snip] I think you've got them bang to rights, your logic is completely clear, absolutely impeccable and totally and utterly faultless. I totally disagree. I see no evidence that PATAS is actually biased, nor have I ever heard that allegation. The fact that PATAS is funded by London Councils is not evidence that the adjudicators are biased. You might as well argue that the Court of Appeal is biased because the judges' salaries are paid by the government. If you look at the work of PATAS you will find that they often agree with appellants and roundly criticise the councils. Setting aside the obscure legal arguments, what are your real concerns about the operation of PATAS? Do you have any examples where bias has been demonstrated? Is this all because you were caught not paying the congestion charge 5 years ago? You go on about natural justice, but I'm having difficulty understanding what the original injustice was that led you down this path. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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On Mar 27, 1:01*am, "Richard J." wrote:
Mizter T wrote: On 26 Mar, 16:38, Vic Lilley wrote: Motorist denied court hearings, asks Mayor where he stands [snip] I think you've got them bang to rights, your logic is completely clear, absolutely impeccable and totally and utterly faultless. I totally disagree. *I see no evidence that PATAS is actually biased, nor have I ever heard that allegation. *The fact that PATAS is funded by London Councils is not evidence that the adjudicators are biased. *You might as well argue that the Court of Appeal is biased because the judges' salaries are paid by the government. *If you look at the work of PATAS you will find that they often agree with appellants and roundly criticise the councils. Setting aside the obscure legal arguments, what are your real concerns about the operation of PATAS? *Do you have any examples where bias has been demonstrated? *Is this all because you were caught not paying the congestion charge 5 years ago? *You go on about natural justice, but I'm having difficulty understanding what the original injustice was that led you down this path. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) ‘I totally disagree. I see no evidence that PATAS is actually biased, nor have I ever heard that allegation. The fact that PATAS is funded by London Councils is not evidence that the adjudicators are biased.’ True, but it is evidence that they are likely to be. As I wrote ‘it is operating unlawfully. It is immaterial whether a judicial decision is, in fact, biased, because ‘Justice should not only be done, but should be manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done.’ ‘ 'You might as well argue that the Court of Appeal is biased because the judges' salaries are paid by the government.' I agree that is a reasonable consideration but in that case the payer of judges salaries are more remote. Although suing certain parts of the government makes it arguably less remote. If I was suing you, it wouldn’t be an issue because you, or someone closely connected with you, are not paying the judges. 'If you look at the work of PATAS you will find that they often agree with appellants and roundly criticise the councils.' Well, they are not stupid. They have to give token decisions to avoid criticism. But once again ‘It is immaterial whether a judicial decision is, in fact, biased, because ‘Justice should not only be done, but should be manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done.’ ‘ Also, my claim is only aimed at the Road User Charging Adjudicators. There are other adjudicators in PATAS, such as the Parking Adjudicators. In fact Martin Wood in the Parking Adjudicators Report 2004/2005 to the ALG Transport and Environment Committee dated 20 October 2005 agrees with me that Adjudicators should be able to consider the validity of Penalty Charge Notices rather than the motorist having to take on the high risk to cost and time consuming judicial review process. Yet PATAS in my case are justifying their actions in ignoring my claim of illegality on the grounds they have no discretion (jurisdiction) in this area. Pushing you into judicial review, PATAS hope you will give up the case because it get all to much. . ‘Setting aside the obscure legal arguments,’ I do not think they are obscure. I don’t think you would when you under it better. ‘ what are your real concerns about the operation of PATAS? ‘ It is unlawful because it is biased. It ignored my claim. ‘ Do you have any examples where bias has been demonstrated? ‘ Well, they have refused to hear my case. Also, for the third time; ‘Justice should not only be done, but should be manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done.’ Is this all because you were caught not paying the congestion charge 5 years ago? You go on about natural justice, but I'm having difficulty understanding what the original injustice was that led you down this path. Sorry. Here is a brief explanation from my web site which I hope will clarify things. ‘Lilley, who is not a user of the congestion charge scheme, got a congestion charging penalty charge notice for £50, out of the blue, dated 6th September 2004 and timed 18:13:19, when he accidentally went into London in the evening, earlier than normal, to see a play. When he queried TFL, 'wasn’t the congestion charge £5?' he was told he should have paid it on the day, and if he didn’t pay £50 within 14 days it would go up to £100 and after 28 days £150. So he paid under duress and undue influence. He then sent a letter of complaint to TFL dated 10 September 2004 demanding £45 back, claiming that this was illegal, because they should have notified him that he owed them the money first, to give him a chance to pay. NOTE: If you think he should have seen the signs, Lilley wondered about that as well, because he didn’t notice any signs. Apparently there were signs there. However, TFL have taken over £502m in congestion charge penalty charges from London motorists, from the start of the scheme until 28 February 2008, which is 41% of the £1.2bn congestion charge income, as a whole, over the same period. and £10m a month in penalties have been taken thereafter. So it wasn’t just him. Also, the signs are placed by traffic lights, so you are less likely to notice them. In addition, it is a psychological fact that attention follows interest. So, if you have no interest in the congestion charge you are likely not to notice the signs. Lilley alleges that TFL did not answer his complaint properly but suggested Lilley should appeal to PATAS (Parking and Traffic Appeals Service). He also alleges that PATAS ignored his claim of illegality, which was, unreasonable and ultra vires (outside their powers), both on appeal and review.’ Vic .. |
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On Mar 26, 6:26*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 26 Mar, 16:38, Vic Lilley wrote: Motorist denied court hearings, asks Mayor where he stands [snip paranoid nonsense] I think you've got them bang to rights, your logic is completely clear, absolutely impeccable and totally and utterly faultless. Are you going to consult a lawyer or might that dilute your argument? snort What's the plan - judicial review? Appeal to the House of Lords, or the European Court of Human Rights? General Assembly of the UN? ICRC? Have you considered writing to the Queen? I do believe that you have omitted a few important entities from the list - how about the Pope, Davros, The Emperor Dalek, the Master, The High Council of the Time Lords [1][2], James Bond, Jason Bourne, Dalai Lama, Osama Bid Laden and God? That should keep the appeals process going nicely. [1] yep I'm a Doctor Who fan [2] oops, all the Time Lords are dead now. Perhaps the appellant could go back in time in his Tardis to when they were living? PC |
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On Mar 27, 9:45*am, plcd1 wrote:
On Mar 26, 6:26*pm, Mizter T wrote: On 26 Mar, 16:38, Vic Lilley wrote: Motorist denied court hearings, asks Mayor where he stands [snip paranoid nonsense] I think you've got them bang to rights, your logic is completely clear, absolutely impeccable and totally and utterly faultless. Are you going to consult a lawyer or might that dilute your argument? snort What's the plan - judicial review? Appeal to the House of Lords, or the European Court of Human Rights? General Assembly of the UN? ICRC? Have you considered writing to the Queen? I do believe that you have omitted a few important entities from the list - how about the Pope, Davros, The Emperor Dalek, the Master, The High Council of the Time Lords [1][2], James Bond, Jason Bourne, Dalai Lama, Osama Bid Laden and God? * That should keep the appeals process going nicely. [1] yep I'm a Doctor Who fan [2] oops, all the Time Lords are dead now. Perhaps the appellant could go back in time in his Tardis to when they were living? PC Not the Pope, too far away, but the Arch Bishop of Cantebury is someone I have thought of. |
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Vic Lilley wrote:
On Mar 27, 1:01 am, "Richard J." wrote: On 26 Mar, 16:38, Vic Lilley wrote: Motorist denied court hearings, asks Mayor where he stands [snip] Setting aside the obscure legal arguments, what are your real concerns about the operation of PATAS? Do you have any examples where bias has been demonstrated? Is this all because you were caught not paying the congestion charge 5 years ago? Sorry. Here is a brief explanation from my web site which I hope will clarify things. ‘Lilley, who is not a user of the congestion charge scheme, got a congestion charging penalty charge notice for £50, out of the blue, dated 6th September 2004 and timed 18:13:19, when he accidentally went into London in the evening, earlier than normal, to see a play. Oh, surprise, surprise! This is all because you entered the zone during its hours of operation and failed to pay the charge. Instead of just paying the legitimate penalty, you claim you are "not a user of the congestion charge scheme", and that everyone else is biased. Just cough up and shut up. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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On Mar 28, 6:34*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
Vic Lilley wrote: On Mar 27, 1:01 am, "Richard J." wrote: On 26 Mar, 16:38, Vic Lilley wrote: Motorist denied court hearings, asks Mayor where he stands [snip] Setting aside the obscure legal arguments, what are your real concerns about the operation of PATAS? *Do you have any examples where bias has been demonstrated? *Is this all because you were caught not paying the congestion charge 5 years ago? * Sorry. Here is a brief explanation from my web site which I hope will clarify things. ‘Lilley, who is not a user of the congestion charge scheme, got a congestion charging penalty charge notice for £50, out of the blue, dated 6th September 2004 and timed 18:13:19, when he accidentally went into London in the evening, earlier than normal, to see a play. Oh, surprise, surprise! *This is all because you entered the zone during its hours of operation and failed to pay the charge. Instead of just paying the legitimate penalty, you claim you are "not a user of the congestion charge scheme", and that everyone else is biased. *Just cough up and shut up. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) No, that isn’t ‘all.’ You are misrepresenting what I wrote. Your claim that the penalty is legitimate, is just a bald assertion. So that is a failure to give adequate reasons. That is what some of the judges have done. and it is illegal for a public body to make such a decision. If you were in court, making such a defence, you would have to give reasons. That is not fair comment. If you are happy with not being able to get a hearing, non notification of debts, fines before conviction and excessive fines, rights that go back centuries, then I suggest you look at those countries without such rights, and consider if you would prefer to live there. And if we do not defend these rights we will lose them. These rights go back to Magna Carta and earlier. Our ancestors have fought and died for them. So I am not coughing up or shutting up, I am standing up, for my, and other citizens rights. |
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