Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.

Regards
UC

On 12 Apr, 11:42, wrote:
Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a *zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, *I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.

Regards
UC

I should think it is due to the fact that Greenford to Paddington is
now on PAYG so you could take a route via paddington bakerloo line to
willesden junction. Previously this route would not have been
possible with PAYG.

On Apr 12, 11:42 am, wrote:
Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

I presume by "Central Station" you mean the Central line station at
Shepherd's Bush, and by "NLL station" you actually mean Shepherd's
Bush station on the West London Line (WLL). In which case it can't be
*that* old and familiar a route as Shepherd's Bush WLL station only
opened in September '08!


South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

I don't think it ever did cost £1.10 i.e. I don't think it has ever
been defined as a non-Z1 fare. There were lots of discussions on this
issue here back in February specifically discussing fares from the
western end of the Central line to Camden Road via the WLL/NLL, and
the Oyster PAYG fares for these journeys all presumed a via z1 route.

Incidentally there's some unfinished business in those conversations
that I intend to revisit - unfortunately things came up back then
which meant I just didn't have the time to properly conclude some of
those discussions, so some of the issues were unsatisfactorily left
hanging in the air unresolved. I want to go back and clear them up.


Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.

Yes, the way to do it is to break your journey at White City/
Shepherd's Bush WLL - i.e. exit White City Central line station and
walk to Shepherd's Bush WLL station. (Merely touching in on a
standalone reader at Willesden Jn won't work.) You will obviously get
charged two separate fares for these two journeys, but you'll also be
eligible for the z2-6 cap (pretty good value at £3 off-peak with the
Railcard discount!).

Note that the Oyster PAYG system is going to be upgraded shortly in
connection with it being rolled out on National Rail - this upgrade
will mean that it will be capable of recognising that different fares
are available between stations (at the moment it can only deal with
there being one fare between any pair of stations). When this happens
then it should largely resolve this particular issue at Shepherd's
Bush, and provide a potential way of resolving any other such issues
that may occur in the future when all NR routes start accepting Oyster
PAYG.

On Apr 12, 12:37*pm, wrote:

On 12 Apr, 11:42, wrote:

Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a *zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, *I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.


I should think it is due to the fact that Greenford to Paddington is
now on PAYG so you could take a route via paddington bakerloo line to
willesden junction. *Previously this route would not have been
possible with PAYG.


The timescale doesn't make sense for that though - the OP says it was
"£1.10 back in February", but FGW started accepting Oyster PAYG
between all stations including Paddington back in September '08 - see
this utl thread from back then:
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...c5bc03d07ea75/

Anyway I'm afraid that I think the OP is mistaken that such a journey
would have been charged at £1.10 (i.e. non-z1) back in February - we
had some lengthy discussions on this issue back in February which were
prompted by another poster, and the issue of being charged via-z1
fares for I think this very same journey was the same, i.e. they
weren't being charged £1.10 as expected and they wanted to know why.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:48:52 +0100, Mizter T wrote:


On Apr 12, 11:42 am, wrote:
Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

I presume by "Central Station" you mean the Central line station at
Shepherd's Bush, and by "NLL station" you actually mean Shepherd's
Bush station on the West London Line (WLL). In which case it can't be
*that* old and familiar a route as Shepherd's Bush WLL station only
opened in September '08!


South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

I don't think it ever did cost £1.10 i.e. I don't think it has ever
been defined as a non-Z1 fare. There were lots of discussions on this
issue here back in February specifically discussing fares from the
western end of the Central line to Camden Road via the WLL/NLL, and
the Oyster PAYG fares for these journeys all presumed a via z1 route.

Incidentally there's some unfinished business in those conversations
that I intend to revisit - unfortunately things came up back then
which meant I just didn't have the time to properly conclude some of
those discussions, so some of the issues were unsatisfactorily left
hanging in the air unresolved. I want to go back and clear them up.


Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.

Yes, the way to do it is to break your journey at White City/
Shepherd's Bush WLL - i.e. exit White City Central line station and
walk to Shepherd's Bush WLL station. (Merely touching in on a
standalone reader at Willesden Jn won't work.) You will obviously get
charged two separate fares for these two journeys, but you'll also be
eligible for the z2-6 cap (pretty good value at £3 off-peak with the
Railcard discount!).

Note that the Oyster PAYG system is going to be upgraded shortly in
connection with it being rolled out on National Rail - this upgrade
will mean that it will be capable of recognising that different fares
are available between stations (at the moment it can only deal with
there being one fare between any pair of stations). When this happens
then it should largely resolve this particular issue at Shepherd's
Bush, and provide a potential way of resolving any other such issues
that may occur in the future when all NR routes start accepting Oyster
PAYG.

I'm still of the opinion that if you are travelling from the Western
reaches of the Central line to Camden Road and wish to avoid a zone 1
fare, then you should forget about going anywhere near Shepherd's Bush.
Bus 266 from North Acton to Willesden Junction is what I recommend.

--
Fig

"Fig" wrote in message newsp.uslatb1c3qplm1@dell...
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:48:52 +0100, Mizter T wrote:


On Apr 12, 11:42 am, wrote:
Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

I presume by "Central Station" you mean the Central line station at
Shepherd's Bush, and by "NLL station" you actually mean Shepherd's
Bush station on the West London Line (WLL). In which case it can't be
*that* old and familiar a route as Shepherd's Bush WLL station only
opened in September '08!


South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

I don't think it ever did cost £1.10 i.e. I don't think it has ever
been defined as a non-Z1 fare. There were lots of discussions on this
issue here back in February specifically discussing fares from the
western end of the Central line to Camden Road via the WLL/NLL, and
the Oyster PAYG fares for these journeys all presumed a via z1 route.

Incidentally there's some unfinished business in those conversations
that I intend to revisit - unfortunately things came up back then
which meant I just didn't have the time to properly conclude some of
those discussions, so some of the issues were unsatisfactorily left
hanging in the air unresolved. I want to go back and clear them up.


Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.

Yes, the way to do it is to break your journey at White City/
Shepherd's Bush WLL - i.e. exit White City Central line station and
walk to Shepherd's Bush WLL station. (Merely touching in on a
standalone reader at Willesden Jn won't work.) You will obviously get
charged two separate fares for these two journeys, but you'll also be
eligible for the z2-6 cap (pretty good value at £3 off-peak with the
Railcard discount!).

Note that the Oyster PAYG system is going to be upgraded shortly in
connection with it being rolled out on National Rail - this upgrade
will mean that it will be capable of recognising that different fares
are available between stations (at the moment it can only deal with
there being one fare between any pair of stations). When this happens
then it should largely resolve this particular issue at Shepherd's
Bush, and provide a potential way of resolving any other such issues
that may occur in the future when all NR routes start accepting Oyster
PAYG.

I'm still of the opinion that if you are travelling from the Western
reaches of the Central line to Camden Road and wish to avoid a zone 1
fare, then you should forget about going anywhere near Shepherd's Bush.
Bus 266 from North Acton to Willesden Junction is what I recommend.

--
Fig
Or even walk North Acton to Willesden Junc. (considering a walk from Whire
City to Shepherds bush is suggested).

Kevin

Kevin

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:42:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.

Perhaps this is a silly idea, but have you tried: South Ruislip -
Wembley Stadium - Wembley Park - West Hampstead - Camden Road?

On Apr 18, 5:01*pm, Fig wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:48:52 +0100, Mizter T wrote:

On Apr 12, 11:42 am, wrote:
Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

I presume by "Central Station" you mean the Central line station at
Shepherd's Bush, and by "NLL station" you actually mean Shepherd's
Bush station on the West London Line (WLL). In which case it can't be
*that* old and familiar a route as Shepherd's Bush WLL station only
opened in September '08!

South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

I don't think it ever did cost £1.10 i.e. I don't think it has ever
been defined as a non-Z1 fare. There were lots of discussions on this
issue here back in February specifically discussing fares from the
western end of the Central line to Camden Road via the WLL/NLL, and
the Oyster PAYG fares for these journeys all presumed a via z1 route.

Incidentally there's some unfinished business in those conversations
that I intend to revisit - unfortunately things came up back then
which meant I just didn't have the time to properly conclude some of
those discussions, so some of the issues were unsatisfactorily left
hanging in the air unresolved. I want to go back and clear them up.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a *zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, *I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.

Yes, the way to do it is to break your journey at White City/
Shepherd's Bush WLL - i.e. exit White City Central line station and
walk to Shepherd's Bush WLL station. (Merely touching in on a
standalone reader at Willesden Jn won't work.) You will obviously get
charged two separate fares for these two journeys, but you'll also be
eligible for the z2-6 cap (pretty good value at £3 off-peak with the
Railcard discount!).

Note that the Oyster PAYG system is going to be upgraded shortly in
connection with it being rolled out on National Rail - this upgrade
will mean that it will be capable of recognising that different fares
are available between stations (at the moment it can only deal with
there being one fare between any pair of stations). When this happens
then it should largely resolve this particular issue at Shepherd's
Bush, and provide a potential way of resolving any other such issues
that may occur in the future when all NR routes start accepting Oyster
PAYG.

I'm still of the opinion that if you are travelling from the Western *
reaches of the Central line to Camden Road and wish to avoid a zone 1 *
fare, then you should forget about going anywhere near Shepherd's Bush. *
Bus 266 from North Acton to Willesden Junction is what I recommend.


Sorry, I'd forgotten all about that very good suggestion you'd made
beforehand! It certainly does make a lot of sense.

Under the new NLL timetable there are now more peak-time through
trains that run off the WLL onto the NLL (and v.v.) - i.e. Clapham Jn
to Stratford services. This isn't the final arrangement for the NLL &
WLL service pattern, but when that eventually comes it'll involve more
WLL/NLL services too. Anyway, point being that if one is specifically
heading for one of these through WLL/NLL trains then going via White
City/ Shepherd's Bush would make sense, but otherwise I agree the 266
bus option looks good.

On Apr 19, 10:26*pm, "Zen83237" wrote:

"Fig" wrote in messagenewsp.uslatb1c3qplm1@dell...
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:48:52 +0100, Mizter T wrote:

On Apr 12, 11:42 am, wrote:
Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

I presume by "Central Station" you mean the Central line station at
Shepherd's Bush, and by "NLL station" you actually mean Shepherd's
Bush station on the West London Line (WLL). In which case it can't be
*that* old and familiar a route as Shepherd's Bush WLL station only
opened in September '08!

South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

I don't think it ever did cost £1.10 i.e. I don't think it has ever
been defined as a non-Z1 fare. There were lots of discussions on this
issue here back in February specifically discussing fares from the
western end of the Central line to Camden Road via the WLL/NLL, and
the Oyster PAYG fares for these journeys all presumed a via z1 route.

Incidentally there's some unfinished business in those conversations
that I intend to revisit - unfortunately things came up back then
which meant I just didn't have the time to properly conclude some of
those discussions, so some of the issues were unsatisfactorily left
hanging in the air unresolved. I want to go back and clear them up.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a *zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, *I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.

Yes, the way to do it is to break your journey at White City/
Shepherd's Bush WLL - i.e. exit White City Central line station and
walk to Shepherd's Bush WLL station. (Merely touching in on a
standalone reader at Willesden Jn won't work.) You will obviously get
charged two separate fares for these two journeys, but you'll also be
eligible for the z2-6 cap (pretty good value at £3 off-peak with the
Railcard discount!).

Note that the Oyster PAYG system is going to be upgraded shortly in
connection with it being rolled out on National Rail - this upgrade
will mean that it will be capable of recognising that different fares
are available between stations (at the moment it can only deal with
there being one fare between any pair of stations). When this happens
then it should largely resolve this particular issue at Shepherd's
Bush, and provide a potential way of resolving any other such issues
that may occur in the future when all NR routes start accepting Oyster
PAYG.

I'm still of the opinion that if you are travelling from the Western
reaches of the Central line to Camden Road and wish to avoid a zone 1
fare, then you should forget about going anywhere near Shepherd's Bush.
Bus 266 from North Acton to Willesden Junction is what I recommend.

Or even walk North Acton to Willesden Junc. (considering a walk from White
City to Shepherds bush is suggested).


North Acton to Willesden Jn is a distance of a mile. The walk from
White City to Shepherd's Bush is nothing like as far as that - you can
either cut through the Westfield shopping centre (i.e. within the
building itself), or you can skirt the southern perimeter of it (i.e.
outside the building) which is marginally further but means you don't
have to watch out for the meandering shoppers etc! The latter route is
only there as a result of the existence of the shopping centre. Both
routes are definitely shorter than going via Shepherd's Bush Green.

Not, I should add, that I think a mile's walk is a long distance - by
no means, I think everyone should be encouraged to walk the odd mile
here and there and all over the place as it's good for you in all
sorts of ways!

On Apr 22, 11:32*pm, asdf wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:42:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Hi there,
Done some travelling on an old familiar route ( Central Station to NLL
station) and noticed some fare changes. Apologies in advance if this
is old news.

South Ruislip / Greenford ( Central Line) to Camden Road ( NLL / LO)
is now a £2.20 fare and is classified as a via Z1 journey irrespective
of which route you take. When did this increase take place ? I know
that Greenford - Camden Road ( via NLL/LO) used to be £1.10 back in
February.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the way to use the
S. Ruislip - Camden Rd via Shepherds Bush (LO) route and get the
system to recognise that you have not transgressed into Z1 hence
allowing one to benefit from a *zone 2-6 (£3.00) cap. Some months back
it was suggested to me to alight at White City and then walk through
Westfield Shopping Centre to Shepherd's Bush London Overground and
resume my journey from there. The alternative was to touch in at a pad
at Willesden Junction to tray to convince the system that I am not
going through Z1. However, *I have noticed today that South Ruislip /
Greenford to Willesden Junction is also a £2.20 fare ( via Z1) so this
method will not apply. My only option seems to be to stagger the main
journey into several sub-journeys as previously advised.

Perhaps this is a silly idea, but have you tried: South Ruislip -
Wembley Stadium - Wembley Park - West Hampstead - Camden Road?

That is a silly idea!