On Apr 17, 4:30*pm, Neil Williams wrote:

On 17 Apr, 16:20, Mizter T wrote:

The incident appears to have happened at Walthamstow bus station. One
suspects that the police bods in question are likely to have been
PCSOs rather than proper police officers, though that's just
supposition. Whatever, the police really need to get their act in
order.

It is a ridiculous situation, as surely if a crime *had* been
committed the images should *not* be deleted as they are evidence.

It sounds like poorly trained muppets on a power trip.


Which is, unfortunately, why my suspicion fell on them being PCSOs.
I'm not against the concept of PCSOs as such, but reports of their
(mis)behaviour doesn't always leave one feeling encouraged.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Mizter T wrote:

Whatever, the police really need to get their act in order.

Oh, you noticed that?

I am really utterly perplexed by how the police maange to get away with
being a bunch of incompetent thugs. Not that there aren't good individual
policemen, but there are certainly some very bad ones, and the
organisation as a whole is a disaster. It just seems that nobody with the
power to do anything about it gives a toss. Or has it just not occurred to
people that things could be any better?

tom

--
Teach us how to die well

Tom Anderson wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Mizter T wrote:

Whatever, the police really need to get their act in order.

Oh, you noticed that?

I am really utterly perplexed by how the police maange to get away with
being a bunch of incompetent thugs. Not that there aren't good individual
policemen, but there are certainly some very bad ones, and the
organisation as a whole is a disaster. It just seems that nobody with the
power to do anything about it gives a toss. Or has it just not occurred to
people that things could be any better?


The government is well aware of the problem. A couple of years ago it
tried to bounce police forces into merging into a much smaller number of
much larger forces. Unfortunately for the government, the police
rebelled, and so did the local councils whose ineffectual police
authorities may well be at the root of the problem.

I don't pretend to know whether bigger would be better, but the Home
Office seemed to be convinced that it was.

Of course the other problem is police recruitment. There are too many
people of low intelligence in the police. The problem is, attempts to
promote better educated officers to senior positions have been strongly
resisted by less well educated policemen who believe that promotion to
high office is their right, as it had been for many decades.

The police therefore still contain too many ignorant, brutal, racist and
misogynist officers who have no respect for the law and for civil liver
ties in particular. These people are at the root of the problems
policing major demonstrations and are behind the seemingly orchestrated
hostility to people taking photographs.

Tony Polson wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Mizter T wrote:

Whatever, the police really need to get their act in order.
Oh, you noticed that?

I am really utterly perplexed by how the police maange to get away with
being a bunch of incompetent thugs. Not that there aren't good individual
policemen, but there are certainly some very bad ones, and the
organisation as a whole is a disaster. It just seems that nobody with the
power to do anything about it gives a toss. Or has it just not occurred to
people that things could be any better?


The government is well aware of the problem. A couple of years ago it
tried to bounce police forces into merging into a much smaller number of
much larger forces. Unfortunately for the government, the police
rebelled, and so did the local councils whose ineffectual police
authorities may well be at the root of the problem.

I don't pretend to know whether bigger would be better, but the Home
Office seemed to be convinced that it was.

However, it's interesting that most of the complaints come from the
Metropolitan Police area, the same police force that shot an innocent
man on a tube train, and incidentally the biggest police force in the UK.

One of the arguments against the mergers was the local accountability of
smaller forces.

I'm extremely concerned that this government has allowed the UK to drift
towards being a police state, in the name of "security". I will vote
for any party that has the guts to repeal anti-terror legislation and
reverse the drift towards authoritarianism.
--
Jeremy Double {real address, include nospam}
Rail and transport photos at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmdoubl...7603834894248/

Tony Polson wrote:

and for civil liver ties in particular


Oops! Should be liberties, obviously. ;-)

"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Mizter T wrote:

Whatever, the police really need to get their act in order.

Oh, you noticed that?

I am really utterly perplexed by how the police maange to get away with
being a bunch of incompetent thugs. Not that there aren't good individual
policemen, but there are certainly some very bad ones, and the
organisation as a whole is a disaster. It just seems that nobody with the
power to do anything about it gives a toss. Or has it just not occurred
to people that things could be any better?



Despite all the publicity from last week's incidents there is another
example of a police officer with his identification numbers removed from
his uniform.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...+ID/article.do

Senior officers are expressing surprise about this but must have been
aware, the Sergeants and Inspectors from being on the streets with them and
the higher levels from watching CCTV. It is impossible that they were
unaware of the practice.

The lower levels must also have been aware of the alleged practice of
swapping numbers around to confuse identification.

In article . li,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Mizter T wrote:

Whatever, the police really need to get their act in order.

Oh, you noticed that?

I am really utterly perplexed by how the police maange to get away
with being a bunch of incompetent thugs. Not that there aren't good
individual policemen, but there are certainly some very bad ones,
and the organisation as a whole is a disaster. It just seems that
nobody with the power to do anything about it gives a toss. Or has
it just not occurred to people that things could be any better?

It's far from a new problem, I'm afraid.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Mizter T wrote:

Whatever, the police really need to get their act in order.

Oh, you noticed that?

I am really utterly perplexed by how the police maange to get away
with being a bunch of incompetent thugs. Not that there aren't good
individual policemen, but there are certainly some very bad ones, and
the organisation as a whole is a disaster. It just seems that nobody
with the power to do anything about it gives a toss. Or has it just
not occurred to people that things could be any better?

The problem is that policemen who joined because they wish to uphold the law
feel outnumbered by policemen who joined because they wish to get away with
breaking the law - so outnumbered that they can't even enjoy mixing in the
staff canteen any more, and end up quitting the force.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009, John Rowland wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Mizter T wrote:

Whatever, the police really need to get their act in order.

Oh, you noticed that?

I am really utterly perplexed by how the police maange to get away
with being a bunch of incompetent thugs. Not that there aren't good
individual policemen, but there are certainly some very bad ones, and
the organisation as a whole is a disaster. It just seems that nobody
with the power to do anything about it gives a toss. Or has it just
not occurred to people that things could be any better?

The problem is that policemen who joined because they wish to uphold the
law feel outnumbered by policemen who joined because they wish to get
away with breaking the law - so outnumbered that they can't even enjoy
mixing in the staff canteen any more, and end up quitting the force.

I could well believe it, but do you have any specific reason to think
that?

tom

--
curry in a sack

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:20:16 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:


On Apr 17, 3:23*pm, "Kev Lawrence"
wrote:
See also

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-deletes-tou...

!

Indeed, I've just read that in the Guardian - here's a link to their
article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/ap...tourist-photos

The incident appears to have happened at Walthamstow bus station. One
suspects that the police bods in question are likely to have been
PCSOs rather than proper police officers, though that's just
supposition. Whatever, the police really need to get their act in
order.


its usually PCSOs at walthamstow Bus Station, especially when the
schoolchildren are going home.