"Andrew Wilson" wrote in message
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"John Salmon" wrote in message
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"Mizter T" wrote
I shall have to try buying one for myself from an LU station then.
Unless I've gone mad the price of the Railcard-discounted Day
Travelcards I've bought from NR stations lately has been £5.00. I can't
think why LU would charge a different price! (Unless LU round things
down, and NR rounds them up - but that doesn't make any sense as
two-thirds of £7.50 - the full price of a z1-6 Day Travelcard - is bang
on £5.00.) The strange mysteries of ticketing...

The railcard discount is 34%, i.e. slightly more than one-third, so the
rounding up/down theory *may* be correct. I have a feeling that the
£4.90/£5.00 discrepancy between LU and "NR" has been mentioned before on
uk.r or utl, but I could be wrong. You are right that (at least some)
National Rail stations charge £5.00; I haven't bought one from LU
recently.

Has LU started offering railcard discounts recently? Every time I've tried
to buy a Z1-6 Day Travelcard with my disabled railcard I've been told that
LU don't do them so I normally to buy them from NR stations. If this is
now the case however do you get more for your money if you buy one from
LU?

I'm not sure about 'recently' and I'm not sure how consistent it is across
the whole of LU. I've certainly bought a Senior Railcard discounted
Travelcard at Cockfosters (after driving there from Retford); at one time,
as you're suggesting, it was difficult/impossible to get railcard discounts
at LU stations. I expect someone will be along soon with the facts...

On Apr 24, 1:45*am, "Andrew Wilson"
wrote:

"John Salmon" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote
I shall have to try buying one for myself from an LU station then. Unless
I've gone mad the price of the Railcard-discounted Day Travelcards I've
bought from NR stations lately has been £5.00. I can't think why LU would
charge a different price! (Unless LU round things down, and NR rounds
them up - but that doesn't make any sense as two-thirds of £7.50 - the
full price of a z1-6 Day Travelcard - is bang on £5.00.) The strange
mysteries of ticketing...

The railcard discount is 34%, i.e. slightly more than one-third, so the
rounding up/down theory *may* be correct. *I have a feeling that the
£4.90/£5.00 discrepancy between LU and "NR" has been mentioned before on
uk.r or utl, but I could be wrong. *You are right that (at least some)
National Rail stations charge £5.00; I haven't bought one from LU
recently.

Has LU started offering railcard discounts recently? Every time I've tried
to buy a Z1-6 Day Travelcard with my disabled railcard I've been told that
LU don't do them so I normally to buy them from NR stations. If this is now
the case however do you get more for your money if you buy one from LU?
Regards
Andrew Wilson

No, LU stations have always offered them - or at least they have for
many many years. However this fact is notably absent from any Railcard
literature - indeed some Railcard publicity specifically states that
you can't get discounted tickets from LU ticket offices whatsoever,
which is just plain misleading - see:

http://www.16-25railcard.co.uk/faqs/validity#9
---quote---
9. Can I use my Railcard for tickets for travel on the London
Underground?

All discounted rail tickets bought using your Railcard routed 'between
London termini' are valid for cross-London transfer on the London
Underground. Off-Peak Day Travelcards (All Zones only) are also
available, subject to a minimum fare. Please note, however, that you
cannot use your Railcard to obtain a discount when purchasing tickets
from a London Underground booking office.

If you have an Oyster card, you can get your Railcard discount loaded
on to your Oyster card to save 1/3 on the daily cap on pay as you go.
---/quote---


I'd expect the problem is that LU ticket office staff are really not
au fait with Railcards, which is why you've not had much success. FWIW
a ticket clerk at an LU station almost refused to sell me a discounted
Day Travelcard when I presented a Network Railcard recently, as they
were insistent that I needed to present my photocard and were
convinced that all Railcards come with accompanying photocards, which
is just plain not true - only 16-25
Railcards require photos. I suspect that 16-25 Railcards are the one's
that they come across most of the time.

You don't get any more for your money if you buy one from LU, though
you used to - until recently LU would issued Railcard-discounted
Travelcards for zones 1-D, that is z1-6 plus zones A-D which
encompassed the extremities of the Metropolitan line (zones A-D were
effectively thrown in 'for free').

However zones A-D have since been incorporated into zones 7-9, which
were introduced at the same time as London Overground took over from
Silverlink Metro (on the Watford-Euston DC line Carpenders Park,
Bushey and Watford High Street are now within zones 7 and 8). At
around the same time LU ticket offices started issuing two separate
Railcard-discounted Day Travelcards - the standard one for zones 1-6,
and a slightly more expensive one for zones 1-9.

London Overground ticket offices should also be able to issue Day
Travelcards (both discounted and full-price) for zones 1-9 (indeed
cheaper full-price versions are available that omit zone 1). AFAIAA
other National Rail ticket offices don't do this, apart I think from
London Midland - but then perhaps only at Watford Jn and Euston
(though maybe at other stations north of Watford too, though given
that the world ends north of Watford there are some metaphysical
difficulties with this notion!).

HTH.

Mizter T wrote in news:c1188ad2-9a98-4749-be12-
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You don't get any more for your money if you buy one from LU, though
you used to - until recently LU would issued Railcard-discounted
Travelcards for zones 1-D, that is z1-6 plus zones A-D which
encompassed the extremities of the Metropolitan line (zones A-D were
effectively thrown in 'for free').

However zones A-D have since been incorporated into zones 7-9, which
were introduced at the same time as London Overground took over from
Silverlink Metro (on the Watford-Euston DC line Carpenders Park,
Bushey and Watford High Street are now within zones 7 and 8). At
around the same time LU ticket offices started issuing two separate
Railcard-discounted Day Travelcards - the standard one for zones 1-6,
and a slightly more expensive one for zones 1-9.


I think this began when a railcard discounted travelcard was subject to a
"minimum fare" and so you didn't get the full third off.

As a third off a 1-D travelcard was less than the minimum fare LU ticket
offices issued them rather than 1-6 which would have been the same,
minimum, price.

At some point, as the price of the all zone travelcard increased but the
minimum fare didn't, a third off a 1-D was more than the minimum fare so LU
started to issue both discounted 1-D and 1-6, at different prices.

David

"John Salmon" wrote in
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"Andrew Wilson" wrote in message
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Has LU started offering railcard discounts recently? Every time I've
tried to buy a Z1-6 Day Travelcard with my disabled railcard I've
been told that LU don't do them so I normally to buy them from NR
stations. If this is now the case however do you get more for your
money if you buy one from LU?

I'm not sure about 'recently' and I'm not sure how consistent it is
across the whole of LU. I've certainly bought a Senior Railcard
discounted Travelcard at Cockfosters (after driving there from
Retford); at one time, as you're suggesting, it was
difficult/impossible to get railcard discounts at LU stations. I
expect someone will be along soon with the facts...


I've never had a problem buying one from an LU ticket office, but you do
need to find a station with an open ticket office as the LU's machines
don't sell them.

David

I bought a zone 1-2 off-peak travelcard on a weekend from a ticket
machine at Clapham Junction, selected the Network Railcard discount
and got it for £5.

I only needed 1-2 but presume if I'd selected the 1-6 zones one it
still would have been £5?

And given that Clapham Junction is a London Overground station if I
went to the ticket office, would they sell me one for £4.90!?

On Apr 30, 10:42*am, stan5001 wrote:
I bought a zone 1-2 off-peak travelcard on a weekend from a ticket
machine at Clapham Junction, selected the Network Railcard discount
and got it for £5.

I only needed 1-2 but presume if I'd selected the 1-6 zones one it
still would have been £5?

Take a look at the ticket if you've still got it - I'm 99.9% certain
it would've been issued as as a zones 1-6 Day Travelcard (indeed when
using the Scheidt & Bachmann ticket machines, as soon as you select a
Railcard discount then the zones covered jumps from z1&2 to z1-6).


And given that Clapham Junction is a London Overground station if I
went to the ticket office, would they sell me one for £4.90!?

No - the ticket office and ticket machines are run by South West
Trains.

Furthermore, I rather suspect that if you were to buy a Railcard-
discounted Day Travelcard from a London Overground ticket office or
ticket machine it too would cost £5.00, as LO use 'National Rail
standard' ticket issuing systems.

It does seem remarkably daft that LU can't manage to sell these
tickets for the same price as 'National Rail' does - it introduces a
completely unnecessary confusion factor where there's absolutely no
need for one.

No, it was definitely z1-2 (I assumed that it upon selecting a
railcard discount it would do as you suggested and print a z1-6
card...).

Question now is can I really be mad enough to wonder up to Clapham
Common station to save myself 10p this weekend...

On Apr 30, 2:47*pm, stan5001 wrote:
No, it was definitely z1-2 (I assumed that it upon selecting a
railcard discount it would do as you suggested and print a z1-6
card...).

My apologies then - SWT's S&B ticket machines appear to have been
programmed differently (i.e. more stupidly) to those I've used on
Southeastern. They really should just spew out a z1-6 Day Travelcard -
technically speaking there's no such product as a Railcard discounted
z1&2 (or indeed z1-4 or z2-6) Day Travelcard. It wouldn't however be
the first time that a ticket vending machine was badly configured.

Question now is can I really be mad enough to wonder up to Clapham
Common station to save myself 10p this weekend...

Ha! (Go for it - the walk'll do you good!)

Not so long ago I had difficulty getting a discounted Day Travelcard
at an LU station with a Network Railcard - the ticket clerk was
insistent that it needed an accompanying photocard (ala a 16-25
Railcard). I evidently looked exasperated enough that they issued it
after a moment or two of being obstinate.

Mizter T wrote in news:f113c50f-7cba-4ad5-9223-
:


On Apr 30, 10:42*am, stan5001 wrote:


And given that Clapham Junction is a London Overground station if I
went to the ticket office, would they sell me one for £4.90!?

No - the ticket office and ticket machines are run by South West
Trains.

Furthermore, I rather suspect that if you were to buy a Railcard-
discounted Day Travelcard from a London Overground ticket office or
ticket machine it too would cost £5.00, as LO use 'National Rail
standard' ticket issuing systems.


It does seem remarkably daft that LU can't manage to sell these
tickets for the same price as 'National Rail' does - it introduces a
completely unnecessary confusion factor where there's absolutely no
need for one.

Buying a discounted Z1-6 from an LU ticket office this morning, I was
charged £5.00. Apparently the previous £4.90 was a pricing mistake which
has now been corrected. Hoorah!!!

David