I currently have an annual rail-only season ticket from my local south
London station to 'London Terminals'. I do not need or want a season ticket
that allows me to use the London Underground or London bus services.

When my local station is 'Oysterised' what will be my ticket renewal
options?

Will I be able to buy:
- a rail-only, non-Oyster, season ticket that is inserted into the barrier
to open the gate, i.e. an exact replacement of what I currently have?

- a rail-only, station-specific, 'Oyster' season ticket, i.e an Oyster
equivalent of what I currently have?

Or will I have to buy some kind of (more expensive) zonal Oyster ticket that
will give me a lot of different travel options that I don't actually want?

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:22:45 +0100, "Juno"
wrote:

I currently have an annual rail-only season ticket from my local south
London station to 'London Terminals'. I do not need or want a season
ticket that allows me to use the London Underground or London bus
services.

When my local station is 'Oysterised' what will be my ticket renewal
options?

Will I be able to buy:
- a rail-only, non-Oyster, season ticket that is inserted into the
barrier to open the gate, i.e. an exact replacement of what I
currently have?

- a rail-only, station-specific, 'Oyster' season ticket, i.e an
Oyster equivalent of what I currently have?

Or will I have to buy some kind of (more expensive) zonal Oyster
ticket that will give me a lot of different travel options that I
don't actually want?

It depends what people mean by "Oysterised". If it means the extension
of PAYG then put simply that is just an extra product. It does not
replace anything. If you mean having gates installed then that does not
affect the product range sold at a station.

In short there is no policy in place where providing an Oyster only
product like PAYG or Oyster compatible equipment results in the removal
of existing ticket products. As things stand you will be able to
continue with a magnetic format rail only season ticket if you so wish.
Obviously you cannot rule out changes to ticket products but I would
expect the removal of rail only seasons to be hugely unpopular with some
rail passengers as well as the TOCs themselves. TfL have no unilateral
right to require such a change and would have to fund compensation
payments to the TOCs if they did demand it. As TfL's budget is shot I
can't see that happening any time soon.

I thought all in-London train fares were moving to a zonal charging basis,
though?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Apr 26, 11:24*pm, wrote:
I thought all in-London train fares were moving to a zonal charging basis,
though?

Paper tickets (including seasons) are now priced bases on the zones
they pass through, but the ticket itself is still point-to-point, and
I believe will remain so.

For example, a Crystal Palace-London Terminals monthly season costs
£73, the same as any other rail-only season that passes through Zones
1-3, but is restricted to only that one route. For comparison, a Z1-3
Travelcard is £116, but is valid on all routes in those zones (and the
tube and buses).

U

Paul Corfield wrote:

Obviously you cannot rule out changes to ticket products but I would
expect the removal of rail only seasons to be hugely unpopular with some
rail passengers as well as the TOCs themselves.

Well here's a key question - if the rail only seasons are still on paper
will extension tickets be available at the old prices or will they be hiked
up to punish the season ticket holder for not having it on Oyster?

wrote in message
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In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:22:45 +0100, "Juno"
wrote:

I currently have an annual rail-only season ticket from my local south
London station to 'London Terminals'. I do not need or want a season
ticket that allows me to use the London Underground or London bus
services.

When my local station is 'Oysterised' what will be my ticket renewal
options?

Will I be able to buy:
- a rail-only, non-Oyster, season ticket that is inserted into the
barrier to open the gate, i.e. an exact replacement of what I
currently have?

- a rail-only, station-specific, 'Oyster' season ticket, i.e an
Oyster equivalent of what I currently have?

Or will I have to buy some kind of (more expensive) zonal Oyster
ticket that will give me a lot of different travel options that I
don't actually want?

It depends what people mean by "Oysterised". If it means the extension
of PAYG then put simply that is just an extra product. It does not
replace anything. If you mean having gates installed then that does not
affect the product range sold at a station.

In short there is no policy in place where providing an Oyster only
product like PAYG or Oyster compatible equipment results in the removal
of existing ticket products. As things stand you will be able to
continue with a magnetic format rail only season ticket if you so wish.
Obviously you cannot rule out changes to ticket products but I would
expect the removal of rail only seasons to be hugely unpopular with some
rail passengers as well as the TOCs themselves. TfL have no unilateral
right to require such a change and would have to fund compensation
payments to the TOCs if they did demand it. As TfL's budget is shot I
can't see that happening any time soon.

I thought all in-London train fares were moving to a zonal charging basis,
though?

In boundary seasons are supposed to be changing to 'zonal fares' in 2010
according to the original announcement about 'non seasons' back in late
2006. Of course that doesn't mean they'll become travelcards, just that all
seasons with a particular start zone and destination zone will be the same
price. The question is whether they will still be printed with station
names like the daily tickets.

No doubt there will be some jumps or falls in price, and similar levels of
media hysteria as there was when 'disgusted of Surbiton' saw his day return
go up by 30% back in Jan 07...

Paul S

In article ,
(Paul Scott) wrote:

wrote in message
...

I thought all in-London train fares were moving to a zonal charging
basis, though?

In boundary seasons are supposed to be changing to 'zonal fares' in
2010 according to the original announcement about 'non seasons'
back in late 2006. Of course that doesn't mean they'll become
travelcards, just that all seasons with a particular start zone and
destination zone will be the same price. The question is whether
they will still be printed with station names like the daily
tickets.

No doubt there will be some jumps or falls in price, and similar
levels of media hysteria as there was when 'disgusted of Surbiton'
saw his day return go up by 30% back in Jan 07...

The people of Surbiton are disgusted, AIUI, because they aren't that far
out but are in Zone 6.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Apr 27, 7:12*am, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote:
Obviously you cannot rule out changes to ticket products but I would
expect the removal of rail only seasons to be hugely unpopular with some
rail passengers as well as the TOCs themselves.

Well here's a key question - if the rail only seasons are still on paper
will extension tickets be available at the old prices or will they be hiked
up to punish the season ticket holder for not having it on Oyster?

That's a much better-expressed version of what I was saying.

Based on the LU model, if you had a paper season covering you from
Belmont to Victoria, but one evening wanted to visit someone in
Banstead, the extension from Belmont to Banstead would cost more than
the PAYG fare from Victoria to Banstead.