In message , David Walters
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:10:00 GMT, Mark Etherington wrote:
At the moment, it looks like even if the gates are open, the scanners on
the gates can still be active. Of course, LU would have to educate
customers to pass their Oyster card over the scanner whether or not they
needed to in order to open the gate.

Which they do.

"On the Tube you must touch your card on the card reader
when you enter the gates and also when you exit, even if
the gates are open."

Seems fairly clear to me.

Surely this will cause problems at times when the gates are open because
a large number of people need to be moved out of the station at a high
rate. I'm thinking particularly here of places like Hyde Park Corner
during events in the Park. Surely everybody stopping to have their
Oysters scanned is going to reduce throughput somewhat.

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 15:28:06 +0100, Spyke wrote:
Surely this will cause problems at times when the gates are open because
a large number of people need to be moved out of the station at a high
rate. I'm thinking particularly here of places like Hyde Park Corner
during events in the Park.

The station tends to get busy at the end of the event with people
trying to get home. Often they leave the gates shut to regulate the
number of people getting to the platfrom. People exiting the station
isn't usually a problem as people often arrive over a longer period
of time. (All in my experience)

Surely everybody stopping to have their
Oysters scanned is going to reduce throughput somewhat.

Sounds like it will but what is the alternative? Don't introduce
PAYG?

David

David Walters wrote the following in:


Scanner reliability is yet to be seen but it's likely that the
stand alone units will be very reliable since they don't have any
moving parts or openings to get jammed. If the gates are open you
need to remember to scan your card at a validator. That requires
learning a new habit which wont take long for most people.

It'll take more than a new habit to solve the problem at Stratford. At
Stratford, it currently records an "incomplete journey" if you change
from the Central line to the Jubilee line (a change which requires you
to go through a set of ticket gates). Last time I was there I looked
around for scanners to do something about this, but I couldn't see any.

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On 9 Oct 2003 16:05:38 GMT, Robin May wrote:
It'll take more than a new habit to solve the problem at Stratford. At
Stratford, it currently records an "incomplete journey" if you change
from the Central line to the Jubilee line (a change which requires you
to go through a set of ticket gates). Last time I was there I looked
around for scanners to do something about this, but I couldn't see any.

Why are there gates between the Central and the Jubilee? Is one of
them not gated to the outside world?

Have you filled in the form at
http://www.oystercard.com/contactform_ask_email.php to ask what the
official word is?

David

On 9 Oct 2003 16:05:38 GMT, Robin May
wrote:

David Walters wrote the following in:


Scanner reliability is yet to be seen but it's likely that the
stand alone units will be very reliable since they don't have any
moving parts or openings to get jammed. If the gates are open you
need to remember to scan your card at a validator. That requires
learning a new habit which wont take long for most people.

It'll take more than a new habit to solve the problem at Stratford. At
Stratford, it currently records an "incomplete journey" if you change
from the Central line to the Jubilee line (a change which requires you
to go through a set of ticket gates). Last time I was there I looked
around for scanners to do something about this, but I couldn't see any.

As far as I'm aware, there are 'validators' between Platforms 3 (Central
Line Westbound) and 5 (Up Electric), not sure about Platforms 6 (Central
Line Eastbound) and 8 (Down Electric) however.

HTH,

Barry

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:01:43 +0100, David Walters
wrote:

Finsbury Park has had validators for months. The only place I know
of that doesn't have them is one exit of Finchley Central and they
have been digging that up this week. Most of them are off or closed
but I assume that will be fixed before PAYG goes live.

I can confirm that the validators are live at West Ham (bottom of the
stairs to the c2c Platforms and on the Ovebridge between the Silverlink
and Jubilee Line platforms).

HTH,

Barry

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David Walters wrote the following in:


On 9 Oct 2003 16:05:38 GMT, Robin May
wrote:
It'll take more than a new habit to solve the problem at
Stratford. At Stratford, it currently records an "incomplete
journey" if you change from the Central line to the Jubilee line
(a change which requires you to go through a set of ticket
gates). Last time I was there I looked around for scanners to do
something about this, but I couldn't see any.

Why are there gates between the Central and the Jubilee? Is one of
them not gated to the outside world?

I've got no idea. The Jubilee line platforms are gated off from the
rest of the station, even though to get to the Jubilee line gates you
have to go through a set of gates at the entrance to the station
anyway.

Have you filled in the form at
http://www.oystercard.com/contactform_ask_email.php to ask what
the official word is?

No, I have a monthly and will continue to buy them for the foreseeable
future, so it doesn't affect me too much.

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Barry Salter wrote the following in:


On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 13:01:43 +0100, David Walters
wrote:

Finsbury Park has had validators for months. The only place I know
of that doesn't have them is one exit of Finchley Central and they
have been digging that up this week. Most of them are off or
closed but I assume that will be fixed before PAYG goes live.

I can confirm that the validators are live at West Ham (bottom of
the stairs to the c2c Platforms and on the Ovebridge between the
Silverlink and Jubilee Line platforms).

They are indeed, I've tested them both. I can also confirm they're live
at the Canning Town Silverlink platforms.

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In article ,
Robin May wrote:
I've got no idea. The Jubilee line platforms are gated off from the
rest of the station, even though to get to the Jubilee line gates you
have to go through a set of gates at the entrance to the station
anyway.

Or get on a NLL train at - say - Hackney (with no gate in sight!).

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