On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:26:39 -0000, "iantheengineer"
wrote:



Okay lets see, so you need to buy something what do you do.

1. Pay for it with money

2. Borrow the money

When labour came to power the country had no money. It was in a huge
deficit.It has taken time to gather the money for spending.


They never said that they stopped road building because they were
short of money. Prescott just cancelled all the schemes wholesale. In
Doncaster they had widened one of the approach roads to the city right
up to the river Don and Prescott cancelled the bloody bridge 1 day
before the contract was due to be signed so the new road was useless.

They cancelled the road improvements to make the trains seem more
attractive out of political dogma. It was the series of train crashes
and the Railtrack meltdown that forced them to do an about turn.

Since labour came to power councils bid for work using local transport
plans.

And?


Large road building schemes are NOT the answer. it has been proven that
traffic grows according to network capacity. So we build another M25 result
more traffic


That can only occurr if there is a reservoir of unsatified demand, it
is a sign we need more capacity, maybe another road somewhere else.

So we upgrade the A9 from Perth to Inverness to motorway standard.
Please explain where all the extra congestion will come from and why.


Local transport plans are developed by local authorities to best solve the
problems they have / prepare for the future.

Each plan is judged with others and funding allocatr=ted by central
government.

As for the inital state of the roads ask any local government highway
engineer for the truth ( i was one) and they will tell you.

Yuppies were synonimus with the 80's its a known FACT.

Wrong Yuppies were a '90s phenomena, as several people have told you.

FACT She sold off all
of the national utilities, which now make huge profits for private
shareholders

LOL Yorkshire Water offerred itself back into public ownership for
free, and (whoever) refused it!

instead of such funding going back into th coffers. All that MT
ever did was to lower taxes at the expense of everything else. If you were
working all well and good but if you were not ( highest levels of
unemployment for years) then tough.


It was coming anyway that's *why* MT got in. Remember the "Winter of
discontent"? Who's got the rose tinted seebakrascopes on now?

DG

iantheengineer wrote:

It seems to me that all of the privatised industries that were sold
off were making a loss at the time of sale, however they are now
making a profit. Why couldnt this have been done while they were
nationalised???? While they wer nationalised a dgeree of control on
them could be exerted, now market forces do similar but the
government do not recieve the dividends, all those people who were
telling Sid are!

Er, public ownership removes much of the incentive for efficiency and
profit.

The fate of the Soviet Union is clear proof.

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iantheengineer wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message
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iantheengineer wrote:

When labour came to power the country had no money.

********.

No not ******** FACT

No, ********.

In 1997 Gordon Brown inherited the healthiest financial situation of any
post-war Chancellor.

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 09:59:51 +0000, iantheengineer wrote:
What about all the other people???? Do you forget the miners strikes
when

I don't much care. You see in the private industry if your company doesnt
sell Cheaply, it goes bust, shareholders lose big time, normal workers
move to other industries, they adapt, or should.

good ol MT decided to close all of the pits so we imported cheap coal
from Africa. Now most of the pits have closed Africas coal price has
risen dramatically, oh yeah she was an absolute genius! Any 5 year old
could have seen that coming

Of course instead of depleteing our coal reserves we still have them, so
in 50 years When there's hardly any left, we can reopen the pits and make
big bucks.

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 09:56:35 +0000, iantheengineer wrote:
Why couldnt this have been done while they were nationalised????

Because the way to make them efficient and profitable was political
suicide (modernisation and redundancies)

iantheengineer wrote:
"PeterE" wrote in message

But without the decisions taken under the Thatcher adminstrations,
Britain's roads would be far worse than they are now (which doesn't
bear thinking about, really).

Your view is certainly not shared by me, yes she may have buiilt
roads, but look at what happens road building leads to more traffic,
this has been researched.

Those Romans have a lot to answer for.

Increasing capacity increases demand - so what?

Which political party was John Major from????

I am not some kneejerk defender of the Conservative Party. The Major
government was disastrous for transport in the UK - remember they were also
responsible for the botched privatisation of the railways.

Thanks for corraborating, why did Major cancel the schemes????

Oh yes no money

It was a short-term saving which is now proving to have serious long-term
effects.

In the meantime most local highway sections have never been so busy,
the only problem is getting trained staff( most local HAs have a
backlog of work). A problem once more proliferated in the 80s with
the scrapping of apprenticeships and the introduction of the YTS.

If they didn't waste so much money building humps they would find it easier
to keep the roads in good repair.

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 08:40:46 +0000, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:
Then there are the access flyovers, interchanges, service areas, areas
inaccessible due to presence of motorways, roads that are motorways in
all but name and the area taken up is hugely increased...

In terms of motorway per area Germany has over twice as much. The
Netherlands over 4 times as much.

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 11:22:10 +0000, Chris Jones wrote:
Surely new roads giving people new possibilities to travel, meet friends and
relatives, and go for days out should be celebrated? After all, that means
our standard of living has increased, surely.

No the Anti car brigade think that we should live work and shop within
walking distance, and should never travel more then 10 miles except on a
holiday (via train) to Brighton. Bit like the 19th century. Traveling over
land from the Mediterranean to the Channel in 12 hours is evil.

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:09:26 +0000, iantheengineer wrote:
Oh my god she converted somone, live in the South par chance?????

My family were always big Maggie fans. When she Started we lived in Brum,
then moved up to Manchester. Throws your stereotype out a little don't it?

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:32:48 +0000, iantheengineer wrote:
Out of this sprang the unions who fought for rights that the blues now take
for granted. Without struggle pain and suffereing on the shoulders of others
they would not have their nice cushly lifestyles now. However they seem to
believe that this would have happened anyway, from what catalyst???

You dont get it do you. Don't like your job or conditions? Hand in your
notice and LEVAE. If everyone did that (of their own free will) then
companies have to change. If they don't then they have no employees to run
the business, and the recently departed can start their own business.

Unions force the majority to bow to the whims of the minority by
intimidation - something that should be illegal.