On Thu, 21 May 2009 19:48:43 +0100
"MrBitsy" wrote:
A) There hasn't been since they were built since 42 years ago so why
didn't
the RMT see fit to go on strike in 1967?

Why hasn't the problem been fixed in 42 years?

It wasn't a "problem" until recently, just like a load of other nonsense
the health and safety culture has come up with.

How do you explain pilots landing with wheels up, ships colliding with

When was the last time a commercial airliner landed with its wheels up
because the crew forgot to lower them??

experienced captains and other very experienced people making fundamental
mistakes - are they just 'dumb'?

No , they're careless and should be fired. Making mistakes in a stressful
situation with a lot going on is one thing - not bothering to check which
side the flippin platform is on when you're doing bugger all else anyway
except possibly reading a copy of The Sun under the control desk is something
else entirely.

Incidentaly, are you seriously trying to compare operating an automatic tube
train to flying an airliner or captaining a ship??

C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time anyway.

In two years, this mistake is likely to happen again - I hope it is not
someone you love who may be injured.

Oh , woah is me, those heart strings pluck so mournfully...

Not.

What experience have you of railway management? What experience are you
using to make a judgment this bullying is not taking place?

This "bullying" argument seems to end up as an orderve on most RMT strikes.
Either working for LUL is similar to being in Stalins russia or the RMT are
full of ****. I know which option I'd go for.

B2003

wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 19:48:43 +0100
"MrBitsy" wrote:
A) There hasn't been since they were built since 42 years ago so why
didn't
the RMT see fit to go on strike in 1967?

Why hasn't the problem been fixed in 42 years?

It wasn't a "problem" until recently, just like a load of other
nonsense
the health and safety culture has come up with.

How do you explain pilots landing with wheels up, ships colliding
with

When was the last time a commercial airliner landed with its wheels up
because the crew forgot to lower them??

experienced captains and other very experienced people making
fundamental mistakes - are they just 'dumb'?

No , they're careless and should be fired. Making mistakes in a
stressful situation with a lot going on is one thing - not bothering
to check which side the flippin platform is on when you're doing
bugger all else anyway except possibly reading a copy of The Sun
under the control desk is something else entirely.

Incidentaly, are you seriously trying to compare operating an
automatic tube train to flying an airliner or captaining a ship??

C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time
anyway.

In two years, this mistake is likely to happen again - I hope it is
not someone you love who may be injured.

Oh , woah is me, those heart strings pluck so mournfully...

Not.

What experience have you of railway management? What experience are
you using to make a judgment this bullying is not taking place?

This "bullying" argument seems to end up as an orderve on most RMT
strikes. Either working for LUL is similar to being in Stalins russia
or the RMT are full of ****. I know which option I'd go for.

And you'd be wrong.

On Fri, 22 May 2009 09:55:15 +0100
"Brimstone" wrote:
This "bullying" argument seems to end up as an orderve on most RMT
strikes. Either working for LUL is similar to being in Stalins russia
or the RMT are full of ****. I know which option I'd go for.

And you'd be wrong.

Oh right, well cheers for that insightful heads up there.

If its really that bad to work for it why do they all get so upset when
someone gets sacked? Surely they'd rejoicing for him?

B2003

wrote:


Either working for LUL is similar to being in Stalins russia

But isn't that what Crow et al actually want?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

"Arthur Figgis" wrote in message

wrote:


Either working for LUL is similar to being in Stalins russia

But isn't that what Crow et al actually want?

I would have thought that Stalin was a trifle too right-wing for Brother
Crow.

wrote in message ...
On Thu, 21 May 2009 19:48:43 +0100
"MrBitsy" wrote:
A) There hasn't been since they were built since 42 years ago so why
didn't
the RMT see fit to go on strike in 1967?

Why hasn't the problem been fixed in 42 years?

It wasn't a "problem" until recently, just like a load of other nonsense
the health and safety culture has come up with.

Being able to open the doors on the wrong side is 'nonsense?

How do you explain pilots landing with wheels up, ships colliding with

When was the last time a commercial airliner landed with its wheels up
because the crew forgot to lower them??

I said pilots, not just commercial pilots. All pilots are highly trained
people, yet they will make mistakes because they are human. Remember the
Airbus that flew into trees at an airshow - the pilot was the makers test
pilot!

experienced captains and other very experienced people making fundamental
mistakes - are they just 'dumb'?

No , they're careless and should be fired. Making mistakes in a stressful
situation with a lot going on is one thing - not bothering to check which
side the flippin platform is on when you're doing bugger all else anyway
except possibly reading a copy of The Sun under the control desk is
something
else entirely.

If a mistake like that could cost people lives, the design flaw in the
system should be fixed.

Incidentaly, are you seriously trying to compare operating an automatic
tube
train to flying an airliner or captaining a ship??

How much manual flying do you think a commercial pilot does?

C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time anyway.

In two years, this mistake is likely to happen again - I hope it is not
someone you love who may be injured.

Oh , woah is me, those heart strings pluck so mournfully...

Not.

The trains are missing a vital safety feature. Any person operating a train
with that flaw could make the same mistake.

What experience have you of railway management? What experience are you
using to make a judgment this bullying is not taking place?

This "bullying" argument seems to end up as an orderve on most RMT
strikes.
Either working for LUL is similar to being in Stalins russia or the RMT
are
full of ****. I know which option I'd go for.

You would go with that option because of your stereo typical view, plus a
lack of experience. Reality is far different to many people views who do
not have to work there.

For your information, I was a tube driver in the eighties. I went to work
on several strike days, bearing the brunt of my colleagues anger. I do not
believe in striking, but I do have the experience of the bullying you do not
think exists.

--
MrBitsy
Rover 75 CDTi

MrBitsy wrote:

For your information, I was a tube driver in the eighties. I went to
work on several strike days, bearing the brunt of my colleagues
anger. I do not believe in striking, but I do have the experience of
the bullying you do not think exists.

I was LT train crew in the late seventies/early eighties. I was sacked for
refusing to break the rules.

"Brimstone" wrote in message
...
MrBitsy wrote:

For your information, I was a tube driver in the eighties. I went to
work on several strike days, bearing the brunt of my colleagues
anger. I do not believe in striking, but I do have the experience of
the bullying you do not think exists.

I was LT train crew in the late seventies/early eighties. I was sacked for
refusing to break the rules.


That won't be believed either :-(

--
MrBitsy
Rover 75 CDTi

"MrBitsy" wrote in message

wrote in message ...

How do you explain pilots landing with wheels up, ships colliding
with

When was the last time a commercial airliner landed with its wheels
up because the crew forgot to lower them??

I said pilots, not just commercial pilots. All pilots are highly
trained people, yet they will make mistakes because they are human.
Remember the Airbus that flew into trees at an airshow - the pilot
was the makers test pilot!

Actually, Captain Michel Asseline was an Air France pilot who disobeyed
his employer's instructions about how low to fly. He was supposed to go
no lower than 30m, but went as low as 30'. He blamed a faulty altimeter,
as well as slow responding engines. But I gather that the conspiracy
theorists are still not convinced that all the facts are yet known about
this crash from 21 years ago.