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On Thu, 21 May 2009 06:26:06 +0100
"MrBitsy" wrote: Creating another pointless strike? Yes. What trains have you driven? Where did you drive them? Which railway company do you work for? How about telling us when you have the safety of hundreds of others to think about? Oh put a sock in it. Do you know what the strike is about? They're whinging that theres no correct side door opening equipment in the trains on the victoria line. Well guess what: A) There hasn't been since they were built since 42 years ago so why didn't the RMT see fit to go on strike in 1967? B) If doors have been opened on the wrong side perhaps they should be asking the drivers who did it if they're up to the job if they're apparently too dumb to be able to tell which side the platform is on since opening the doors and pressing the start button is all they have to do given the trains are ATO. C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time anyway. Oh , and to make their strike seem a bit less pointless they've thrown in a standard issue side order of alleged "bullying" at seven sisters depot. Yeah, right. More like managers telling some lazy arsed drivers to get on with the job they're paid well over the odds to do. B2003 |
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On 21 May, 09:34, wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 06:26:06 +0100 "MrBitsy" wrote: Creating another pointless strike? Yes. What trains have you driven? *Where did you drive them? *Which railway company do you work for? How about telling us when you have the safety of hundreds of others to think about? Oh put a sock in it. Do you know what the strike is about? They're whinging that theres no correct side door opening equipment in the trains on the victoria line. Well guess what: A) There hasn't been since they were built since 42 years ago so why didn't the RMT see fit to go on strike in 1967? B) If doors have been opened on the wrong side perhaps they should be asking the drivers who did it if they're up to the job if they're apparently too dumb to be able to tell which side the platform is on since opening the doors and pressing the start button is all they have to do given the trains are ATO. C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time anyway. Oh , and to make their strike seem a bit less pointless they've thrown in a standard issue side order of alleged "bullying" at seven sisters depot. Yeah, right. More like managers telling some lazy arsed drivers to get on with the job they're paid well over the odds to do. I think it's to do with numbers. LU can reduce the wrong-side errors on most lines through the equipment they now have, but they want to do it on the cheap on the Victoria by dealing more harshly with drivers than in the past. Drivers seem to be saying "either fit the equipment or accept the level of mistakes that you've always accepted in the past". Have I misunderstood? |
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On May 21, 1:03*pm, MIG wrote: On 21 May, 09:34, wrote: On Thu, 21 May 2009 06:26:06 +0100 "MrBitsy" wrote: Creating another pointless strike? Yes. What trains have you driven? *Where did you drive them? *Which railway company do you work for? How about telling us when you have the safety of hundreds of others to think about? Oh put a sock in it. Do you know what the strike is about? They're whinging that theres no correct side door opening equipment in the trains on the victoria line. Well guess what: A) There hasn't been since they were built since 42 years ago so why didn't the RMT see fit to go on strike in 1967? B) If doors have been opened on the wrong side perhaps they should be asking the drivers who did it if they're up to the job if they're apparently too dumb to be able to tell which side the platform is on since opening the doors and pressing the start button is all they have to do given the trains are ATO. C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time anyway. Oh , and to make their strike seem a bit less pointless they've thrown in a standard issue side order of alleged "bullying" at seven sisters depot. |
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 06:26:06 +0100 "MrBitsy" wrote: Creating another pointless strike? Yes. What trains have you driven? Where did you drive them? Which railway company do you work for? How about telling us when you have the safety of hundreds of others to think about? Oh put a sock in it. Do you know what the strike is about? They're whinging that theres no correct side door opening equipment in the trains on the victoria line. Well guess what: A) There hasn't been since they were built since 42 years ago so why didn't the RMT see fit to go on strike in 1967? Why hasn't the problem been fixed in 42 years? B) If doors have been opened on the wrong side perhaps they should be asking the drivers who did it if they're up to the job if they're apparently too dumb to be able to tell which side the platform is on since opening the doors and pressing the start button is all they have to do given the trains are ATO. Any one with the slightest bit of intelligence will understand the concept of mistakes, when the task at hand is repeated thousands of times. You will make similiar mistakes in your daily life, but at least others safety doesn't suffer because of it. How do you explain pilots landing with wheels up, ships colliding with experienced captains and other very experienced people making fundamental mistakes - are they just 'dumb'? C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time anyway. In two years, this mistake is likely to happen again - I hope it is not someone you love who may be injured. Oh , and to make their strike seem a bit less pointless they've thrown in a standard issue side order of alleged "bullying" at seven sisters depot. Yeah, right. More like managers telling some lazy arsed drivers to get on with the job they're paid well over the odds to do. What experience have you of railway management? What experience are you using to make a judgment this bullying is not taking place? -- MrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi |
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"MIG" wrote in message
... On 21 May, 09:34, wrote: On Thu, 21 May 2009 06:26:06 +0100 "MrBitsy" wrote: Creating another pointless strike? Yes. What trains have you driven? Where did you drive them? Which railway company do you work for? How about telling us when you have the safety of hundreds of others to think about? Oh put a sock in it. Do you know what the strike is about? They're whinging that theres no correct side door opening equipment in the trains on the victoria line. Well guess what: A) There hasn't been since they were built since 42 years ago so why didn't the RMT see fit to go on strike in 1967? B) If doors have been opened on the wrong side perhaps they should be asking the drivers who did it if they're up to the job if they're apparently too dumb to be able to tell which side the platform is on since opening the doors and pressing the start button is all they have to do given the trains are ATO. C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time anyway. Oh , and to make their strike seem a bit less pointless they've thrown in a standard issue side order of alleged "bullying" at seven sisters depot. Yeah, right. More like managers telling some lazy arsed drivers to get on with the job they're paid well over the odds to do. I think it's to do with numbers. LU can reduce the wrong-side errors on most lines through the equipment they now have, but they want to do it on the cheap on the Victoria by dealing more harshly with drivers than in the past. Drivers seem to be saying "either fit the equipment or accept the level of mistakes that you've always accepted in the past". Have I misunderstood? No you haven't. -- MrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi |
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"MrBitsy" wrote in message
C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time anyway. In two years, this mistake is likely to happen again - I hope it is not someone you love who may be injured. It would take longer to modify the current stock than they will remain in service. The demand is simply absurd. In any case, with a line entirely in tunnel, the risk to pax is less than on any line with surface or double-track tunnel running. Of all the bizarre Crow-****, this must be the worst. |
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Recliner wrote: The demand is simply absurd. In any case, with a line entirely in tunnel, the risk to pax is less than on any line with surface or double-track tunnel running. Of all the bizarre Crow-****, this must be the worst. You *really* should look at details of the dispute. Not just take The Mail's word for it. For your education it's very difficult to find out the true facts behind any industrial dispute. The press, as with everything else, tell the 'facts' the public want to hear. -- *Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional Dave Plowman London SW 12 |
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Dave Plowman wrote on 21 May 2009 23:16:59 ...
In article , Recliner wrote: The demand is simply absurd. In any case, with a line entirely in tunnel, the risk to pax is less than on any line with surface or double-track tunnel running. Of all the bizarre Crow-****, this must be the worst. You *really* should look at details of the dispute. Not just take The Mail's word for it. Ideally, yes. Perhaps you can tell us where to find such details, as they are not even on the RMT site. Do you disagree with the TfL press release on the subject? For your education it's very difficult to find out the true facts behind any industrial dispute. The press, as with everything else, tell the 'facts' the public want to hear. No, they tell the facts that are available to them. If the RMT did a better job of explaining what really happened, instead of going on strike ostensibly because LU haven't fitted a safety feature to 42-year-old trains that are about to be replaced, then we would have a better chance of understanding the "true facts". But then the RMT aren't really interested in us. [crosspost to uk.rec.driving removed, since off-topic for them] -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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![]() On May 22, 12:12*am, "Richard J." wrote: Dave Plowman wrote on 21 May 2009 23:16:59 ... In article , * *Recliner wrote: *The demand is simply absurd. In any case, with a line entirely in tunnel, the risk to pax is less than on any line with surface or double-track tunnel running. Of all the bizarre Crow-****, this must be the worst. You *really* should look at details of the dispute. Not just take The Mail's word for it. Ideally, yes. *Perhaps you can tell us where to find such details, as they are not even on the RMT site. *Do you disagree with the TfL press release on the subject? I'm sure Mr Plowman would say that the TfL press release only tells part of the story. Indeed, as reasonable as it sounds, I imagine there's more to this dispute than that (i.e. a more general breakdown in relations between management and some staff etc - note that I'm not saying the management's at fault, nor am I saying they're perfect, I'm just saying that a TfL press release cannot possibly explore all of this). For your education it's very difficult to find out the true facts behind any industrial dispute. The press, as with everything else, tell the 'facts' the public want to hear. No, they tell the facts that are available to them. *If the RMT did a better job of explaining what really happened, instead of going on strike ostensibly because LU haven't fitted a safety feature to 42-year-old trains that are about to be replaced, then we would have a better chance of understanding the "true facts". *But then the RMT aren't really interested in us. The problem for the RMT is that it wouldn't look too good for them to go big on what (I think) this dispute is really about - which is that they are objecting to heavier disciplinary procedures for train operators if they do something wrong. If this is what the RMT told the public, the public might well just turn back and ask the RMT what exactly is wrong with their members being disciplined for doing something that could affect safety. And, to be fair it's easy for members of the public to say "well train operators should be capable of concentrating and opening the doors on the right side" without taking into account the quasi-hypnotic nature of watching tube tunnels for hours on end. In essence the RMT is somewhat stymied from publicly making its argument for fear of a public backlash. Of course the information from LU suggests that the RMT are also trying to have a driver who was somewhat less than truthful during a disciplinary reinstated. LU are suggesting this is the root cause, though I can imagine there might be other things causing tension too - but it's also easy to come to the conclusion that this is the RMT pitching in for a battle of willpower against LU, trying to get this driver reinstated so as to prove that they are the ever mighty union. What I would be curious to know is how many wrong-side door openings there have been on the Victoria line in recent years. Could that be an FOI request? [crosspost to uk.rec.driving removed, since off-topic for them] Who x-posted to them in the first place! |
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 19:48:43 +0100
"MrBitsy" wrote: A) There hasn't been since they were built since 42 years ago so why didn't the RMT see fit to go on strike in 1967? Why hasn't the problem been fixed in 42 years? It wasn't a "problem" until recently, just like a load of other nonsense the health and safety culture has come up with. How do you explain pilots landing with wheels up, ships colliding with When was the last time a commercial airliner landed with its wheels up because the crew forgot to lower them?? experienced captains and other very experienced people making fundamental mistakes - are they just 'dumb'? No , they're careless and should be fired. Making mistakes in a stressful situation with a lot going on is one thing - not bothering to check which side the flippin platform is on when you're doing bugger all else anyway except possibly reading a copy of The Sun under the control desk is something else entirely. Incidentaly, are you seriously trying to compare operating an automatic tube train to flying an airliner or captaining a ship?? C) The trains are due to be replaced in a couple of years time anyway. In two years, this mistake is likely to happen again - I hope it is not someone you love who may be injured. Oh , woah is me, those heart strings pluck so mournfully... Not. What experience have you of railway management? What experience are you using to make a judgment this bullying is not taking place? This "bullying" argument seems to end up as an orderve on most RMT strikes. Either working for LUL is similar to being in Stalins russia or the RMT are full of ****. I know which option I'd go for. B2003 |
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