On May 24, 5:24*pm, NM wrote:

On 24 May, 14:25, "MatSav" matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot |
pipex | dot | com wrote:

Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the
750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work.

Why? are they a particularly poor paying employer?

Are you a particularly dickheaded poster?

MatSav wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...

the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington.

Indeed it is - I work there!

Ah! I have an idea for how the NPL could use the spare bits in the MSF
signal to improve the service... Do you think they might be up for that, or
are they a Not-Invented-Here organisation? (I guess the answer to that
should be emailed rather than, er, broadcast.) I'd give the NPL carte
blanche to use my encoding free of charge, obviously, although any equipment
manufacturers who wanted to decode the spare bits using my algorithm should
have to pay me a royalty.

Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the
750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work.

So that's about 0.1 kilocycles.

John Rowland wrote:
MatSav wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...
the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington.
Indeed it is - I work there!

Ah! I have an idea for how the NPL could use the spare bits in the MSF
signal to improve the service... Do you think they might be up for that, or
are they a Not-Invented-Here organisation? (I guess the answer to that
should be emailed rather than, er, broadcast.) I'd give the NPL carte
blanche to use my encoding free of charge, obviously, although any equipment
manufacturers who wanted to decode the spare bits using my algorithm should
have to pay me a royalty.

Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the
750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work.

So that's about 0.1 kilocycles.



Do you mean 100 Hz

--

Tony Dragon

"Tony Dragon" wrote ...
John Rowland wrote:
MatSav wrote:
Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the
750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work.
So that's about 0.1 kilocycles.
Do you mean 100 Hz

On my math, up to 112.5 Hz - but if they cycle regularly, most will just
feel Nmb

"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...
MatSav wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote
in
message ...

the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington.

Indeed it is - I work there!

Ah! I have an idea for how the NPL could use the spare bits in
the MSF signal to improve the service... Do you think they
might be up for that, or are they a Not-Invented-Here
organisation? (I guess the answer to that should be emailed
rather than, er, broadcast.)

With apologies for having missed your suggestion - NPL are a
Government-Owned, Company-Operated business - so I suspect they'd
welcome an opportunity to increase their profit. However, there
are constraints on what can be broadcast in particulat parts of
the spectrum - and I think the MSF frequency is prescribed by
statute, so it can't carry anything else. But I could be wrong,
of course. Try e-mailing them directly - contact details
available from their web site, http://www.npl.co.uk/time

--
MatSav

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:52:33 +0100, "MatSav" matthew | dot | savage |
at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com wrote:


"John Rowland" wrote in
message ...
MatSav wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote
in
message ...

the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington.

Indeed it is - I work there!

Ah! I have an idea for how the NPL could use the spare bits in
the MSF signal to improve the service... Do you think they
might be up for that, or are they a Not-Invented-Here
organisation? (I guess the answer to that should be emailed
rather than, er, broadcast.)

With apologies for having missed your suggestion - NPL are a
Government-Owned, Company-Operated business - so I suspect they'd
welcome an opportunity to increase their profit. However, there
are constraints on what can be broadcast in particulat parts of
the spectrum - and I think the MSF frequency is prescribed by
statute, so it can't carry anything else. But I could be wrong,
of course. Try e-mailing them directly - contact details
available from their web site, http://www.npl.co.uk/time

the coding is described in :-
http://www.npl.co.uk/upload/pdf/MSF_Time_Date_Code.pdf

If I'm reading various bits of info correctly the standard used by MSF
(UK) and DCF (DE) is an AFNOR (Association Française de
Normalisation)/ISO standard derived from an IRIG (Inter-Range
Instrumentation Group (USA) ) standard originally used for rocket
range testing purposes. It looks like there might now also be some ITU
involvement :-
http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/oth...040001MSWE.doc

The MSF frequency IMU will be set by international agreement along
with other radio frequency allocations.

On 24 May, 13:37, "John Rowland"
wrote:

Thanks. At the risk of being pedantic, the pictured MSF broadcasting array
was about 100 miles away from the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington.

Just look at the size of the tuning coil needed for this very low
frequency!

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...o/index2.shtml

On 24 mai, 14:06, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote:
The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw

Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can
enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and a
lovely section about the canal in the second part.

Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything
more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still
tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit
wimpish really.

Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill!

tom

[1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists.

--
Re-enacting the future

It seemed to me that more than half of the chaps had 4 speed derailier
gear and one or two a double clanger. As it said , the station was
Rugby, as were the vlf transmitters. The intriging thing was that a
special train was laid on with special cycle cars and a buffet! It
must have been very ancient days -- all those porters at Rugby! more
than the entire WCML these days.

In article
,
(Sailor) wrote:

On 24 mai, 14:06, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote:
The past is like a foreign country they do things differently
there....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw

Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they
can enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around
3:50, and a lovely section about the canal in the second part.

Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had
anything more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and
yet they still tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my
27-speed setup seem a bit wimpish really.

Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill!

[1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists.

It seemed to me that more than half of the chaps had 4 speed derailier
gear and one or two a double clanger. As it said , the station was
Rugby, as were the vlf transmitters. The intriging thing was that a
special train was laid on with special cycle cars and a buffet! It
must have been very ancient days -- all those porters at Rugby! more
than the entire WCML these days.

1955 they said. LMS stock by the look of it.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Having moved to the area in the mid 1980's I find it amazing that, apart
from the entrance to Rugby Midland station, very few of the scenes depicted
are much different today. The shot of the cyclists leaving Railway Terrace
in Rugby and turning into Clifton Road could have been filmed yesterday
rather than 54 years ago. It was also most amusing to see so many cyclists
obeying then (then) rule of no cycling on the canal towpath at Foxton locks.
Bit different to nowadays where you take your life in your own hands when
walking through a blind bridge hole. The other amazing thing is that the
special train must have stood at Rugby platform 1 for a hell of a long time
to get all those bikes off.

"Sailor" wrote in message
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On 24 mai, 14:06, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote:
The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw

Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can
enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and
a
lovely section about the canal in the second part.

Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything
more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still
tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit
wimpish really.

Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill!

tom

[1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists.

--
Re-enacting the future

It seemed to me that more than half of the chaps had 4 speed derailier
gear and one or two a double clanger. As it said , the station was
Rugby, as were the vlf transmitters. The intriging thing was that a
special train was laid on with special cycle cars and a buffet! It
must have been very ancient days -- all those porters at Rugby! more
than the entire WCML these days.