I forgot to mention that during the Victoria Line strike last week,
announcements were being made on the Northern Line telling people
travelling to Victoria to change at Bank for the District Line from
Monument.

On 29 May, 12:55, MIG wrote:
I forgot to mention that during the Victoria Line strike last week,
announcements were being made on the Northern Line telling people
travelling to Victoria to change at Bank for the District Line from
Monument.

This route has always been available, and the "No interchange"
announcements have long since been changed to "No access to Bank
station from the District Line platforms at Monument". You just can't
do it in the other direction (below ground).

U

On May 29, 12:55*pm, MIG wrote:
I forgot to mention that during the Victoria Line strike last week,
announcements were being made on the Northern Line telling people
travelling to Victoria to change at Bank for the District Line from
Monument.

Where were they making these announcements? Because of course using
the CX branch and changing to the Circle/District at Embankment would
be the rather less round the houses route.

Though maybe this was at King's Cross, in which case I can sort of see
where they're coming from, as otherwise it'd be three changes (either
Picc - Leicester Square for Northern CX branch - Embankment for
Circle/District, or Northern Bank branch - Euston for Northern CX
branch - Embankment for Circle/District). Though of course three
changes would be preferable for many over the current street-level
interchange between Bank and Monument.

Maybe from KX they should have been sent to South Ken on the Picc and
then changed direction for the Circle/District to Victoria - or would
that be insane? Going to Hyde Park Corner then a bus is a fairly
decent alternative (for those heading to Victoria mainline at least),
though of course it's a bit of a faff especially with luggage.

I'm curious as to how people trying to use Oyster PAYG between Brixton
and Victoria got on when they got to the Victoria (mainline) gateline
- as Underground tickets were apparently being "passed" on
Southeastern for this journey and it's not a route where PAYG can be
used at present, but it's never entirely clear as to whether this
includes Oyster PAYG pax.
(IIRC this ticket acceptance also happens during periods of particular
disruption on the Vic line though not during scheduled engineering
closures.)

On 29 May, 14:15, Mizter T wrote:
On May 29, 12:55*pm, MIG wrote:

I forgot to mention that during the Victoria Line strike last week,
announcements were being made on the Northern Line telling people
travelling to Victoria to change at Bank for the District Line from
Monument.

Where were they making these announcements? Because of course using
the CX branch and changing to the Circle/District at Embankment would
be the rather less round the houses route.

On the approach to Bank as I recall. I suppose they were discouraging
people from getting the Central to Oxford Circus (if they admit that's
possible) or maybe the Victoria from Stockwell or Kings Cross.


Though maybe this was at King's Cross, in which case I can sort of see
where they're coming from, as otherwise it'd be three changes (either
Picc - Leicester Square for Northern CX branch - Embankment for
Circle/District, or Northern Bank branch - Euston for Northern CX
branch - Embankment for Circle/District). Though of course three
changes would be preferable for many over the current street-level
interchange between Bank and Monument.

Maybe from KX they should have been sent to South Ken on the Picc and
then changed direction for the Circle/District to Victoria - or would
that be insane? Going to Hyde Park Corner then a bus is a fairly
decent alternative (for those heading to Victoria mainline at least),
though of course it's a bit of a faff especially with luggage.

I'm curious as to how people trying to use Oyster PAYG between Brixton
and Victoria got on when they got to the Victoria (mainline) gateline
- as Underground tickets were apparently being "passed" on
Southeastern for this journey and it's not a route where PAYG can be
used at present, but it's never entirely clear as to whether this
includes Oyster PAYG pax.
(IIRC this ticket acceptance also happens during periods of particular
disruption on the Vic line though not during scheduled engineering
closures.)

Yes, even it it was waved through, I wonder how the journey would be
recorded and charged.

What's left of "Underground tickets" that's not either on Oyster or a
travelcard?

On 29 May, 14:14, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 29 May, 12:55, MIG wrote:

I forgot to mention that during the Victoria Line strike last week,
announcements were being made on the Northern Line telling people
travelling to Victoria to change at Bank for the District Line from
Monument.

This route has always been available, and the "No interchange"
announcements have long since been changed to "No access to Bank
station from the District Line platforms at Monument". You just can't
do it in the other direction (below ground).

U

I am pretty sure that there are still "no interchange at bank except
between Northern and DLR" announcements most of the time.

On May 29, 3:01*pm, MIG wrote:

On 29 May, 14:15, Mizter T wrote:

[snip]

I'm curious as to how people trying to use Oyster PAYG between Brixton
and Victoria got on when they got to the Victoria (mainline) gateline
- as Underground tickets were apparently being "passed" on
Southeastern for this journey and it's not a route where PAYG can be
used at present, but it's never entirely clear as to whether this
includes Oyster PAYG pax.
(IIRC this ticket acceptance also happens during periods of particular
disruption on the Vic line though not during scheduled engineering
closures.)

Yes, even it it was waved through, I wonder how the journey would be
recorded and charged.

It wouldn't be charged or recorded at all - Brixton tube station would
closed and shuttered (albeit with station staff outside to help/ take
abuse), and as Oyster PAYG is not currently valid on any NR routes out
of Victoria then an Oyster card in PAYG mode simply does not work the
gates at Victoria mainline station whatsoever - the only way would be
for pax to negotiate with the gateline staff, and they'd only let you
through if (a) Oyster PAYG was actually being 'passed' on
Southeastern, and (b) the message had got through to them.

In the future when Oyster PAYG is eventually accepted on all NR
routes, then it will of course be valid on Southeastern between
Victoria and Brixton (and indeed any other station in the zones) - but
it seems likely that the Oyster PAYG fare *for National Rail* will be
the same as the single paper rail fare, which will be pricier than the
Tube single PAYG fare. Therefore pax would end up paying more - I
suppose with the possibility of reclaiming it from Oyster customer
services later.


What's left of "Underground tickets" that's not either on Oyster or a
travelcard?

Tube single fares on paper - can't imagine there's an enormous number
of them sold these days, relatively speaking. That's what makes me
think that when they say "Underground tickets will be passed on [such
and such NR route]" this has to include Oyster PAYG too.

Not sure whether TfL Staff Passes would be OK for travel in this
situation - maybe, maybe not.

On 29 May, 15:43, Mizter T wrote:
On May 29, 3:01*pm, MIG wrote:





On 29 May, 14:15, Mizter T wrote:

[snip]

I'm curious as to how people trying to use Oyster PAYG between Brixton
and Victoria got on when they got to the Victoria (mainline) gateline
- as Underground tickets were apparently being "passed" on
Southeastern for this journey and it's not a route where PAYG can be
used at present, but it's never entirely clear as to whether this
includes Oyster PAYG pax.
(IIRC this ticket acceptance also happens during periods of particular
disruption on the Vic line though not during scheduled engineering
closures.)

Yes, even it it was waved through, I wonder how the journey would be
recorded and charged.

It wouldn't be charged or recorded at all - Brixton tube station would
closed and shuttered (albeit with station staff outside to help/ take
abuse), and as Oyster PAYG is not currently valid on any NR routes out
of Victoria then an Oyster card in PAYG mode simply does not work the
gates at Victoria mainline station whatsoever - the only way would be
for pax to negotiate with the gateline staff, and they'd only let you
through if (a) Oyster PAYG was actually being 'passed' on
Southeastern, and (b) the message had got through to them.

In the future when Oyster PAYG is eventually accepted on all NR
routes, then it will of course be valid on Southeastern between
Victoria and Brixton (and indeed any other station in the zones) - but
it seems likely that the Oyster PAYG fare *for National Rail* will be
the same as the single paper rail fare, which will be pricier than the
Tube single PAYG fare. Therefore pax would end up paying more - I
suppose with the possibility of reclaiming it from Oyster customer
services later.



What's left of "Underground tickets" that's not either on Oyster or a
travelcard?

Tube single fares on paper - can't imagine there's an enormous number
of them sold these days, relatively speaking. That's what makes me
think that when they say "Underground tickets will be passed on [such
and such NR route]" this has to include Oyster PAYG too.

Not sure whether TfL Staff Passes would be OK for travel in this
situation - maybe, maybe not.-

I'm assuming that you could get a cheaper ticket from the NR ticket
office to wherever you were going than you could get on paper from LU,
except that the ticket office would be closed ... a bit of a hollow
offer really unless it relates to waving through PAYG.

MIG wrote:

What's left of "Underground tickets" that's not either on Oyster or a
travelcard?

Cross-London transfers to / from National Rail? e.g York - Horsham or
so? Would these too be accepted, or perhaps more to the point would
customers / staff in the country be expected to know about things like
the Victoria line being up the spout?

S

On 30 May, 11:30, Stephan Bird wrote:
MIG wrote:

What's left of "Underground tickets" that's not either on Oyster or a
travelcard?

Cross-London transfers to / from National Rail? e.g York - Horsham or
so? Would these too be accepted, or perhaps more to the point would
customers / staff in the country be expected to know about things like
the Victoria line being up the spout?

S

Well, let's say York to Chatham, so that Brixton would be on the way.

In that case it would be an NR ticket, and the normal route would be
on NR between Victoria and Brixton, so there would be no LU ticket to
accept.