Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 2, 7:34 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

[snip quoted text]

While we're doing tickets for this preview service does anyone know
whether Railcard and Privilege discounts will apply? I did try to
conjure up a journey for the new service on South Eastern's site and
also National Rail but neither had any record of the departures and
therefore the fares couldn't be displayed.

Fares wise, the route is being interwoven into the national network -
basically it will become the new "Any Permitted" route (and route AP
tickets will thus carry the HS1 premium), whilst there will be new
route "not HS1" fares (that won't attract the premium). In this
context national Railcard discounts will surely apply on the HS
service - though whether the (SE England-only) Network Railcard will
be valid is perhaps less clear (bearing in mind that it's not a
'statutory' railcard, it's an opt-in arrangement for the TOCs).

The Kent franchise ITT (we've quoted it on the premium %ages before) simply
goes on, (following the bit about 'No travelcards') to state:

"All Railcards (e.g. senior citizen) will be accepted at the appropriate
level of discount."

There is nothing about PRIV discounts either way, AFAICS...

Paul S

On Jun 2, 10:14*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 2, 7:34 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

[snip quoted text]

While we're doing tickets for this preview service does anyone know
whether Railcard and Privilege discounts will apply? I did try to
conjure up a journey for the new service on South Eastern's site and
also National Rail but neither had any record of the departures and
therefore the fares couldn't be displayed.

Fares wise, the route is being interwoven into the national network -
basically it will become the new "Any Permitted" route (and route AP
tickets will thus carry the HS1 premium), whilst there will be new
route "not HS1" fares (that won't attract the premium). In this
context national Railcard discounts will surely apply on the HS
service - though whether the (SE England-only) Network Railcard will
be valid is perhaps less clear (bearing in mind that it's not a
'statutory' railcard, it's an opt-in arrangement for the TOCs).

The Kent franchise ITT (we've quoted it on the premium %ages before) simply
goes on, (following the bit about 'No travelcards') *to state:

"All Railcards (e.g. senior citizen) will be accepted at the appropriate
level of discount."

There is nothing about PRIV discounts either way, AFAICS...

Paul S- Hide quoted text -

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Reply today from Travel Facilities to my recent enquiry was that the
matter was still subject to negociations and the outcome would be
posted on ATOC site as normal.
JohnG

On Jun 2, 11:36*pm, wrote:

On Jun 2, 10:14*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

On Jun 2, 7:34 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

[snip quoted text]

While we're doing tickets for this preview service does anyone know
whether Railcard and Privilege discounts will apply? I did try to
conjure up a journey for the new service on South Eastern's site and
also National Rail but neither had any record of the departures and
therefore the fares couldn't be displayed.

Fares wise, the route is being interwoven into the national network -
basically it will become the new "Any Permitted" route (and route AP
tickets will thus carry the HS1 premium), whilst there will be new
route "not HS1" fares (that won't attract the premium). In this
context national Railcard discounts will surely apply on the HS
service - though whether the (SE England-only) Network Railcard will
be valid is perhaps less clear (bearing in mind that it's not a
'statutory' railcard, it's an opt-in arrangement for the TOCs).

The Kent franchise ITT (we've quoted it on the premium %ages before) simply
goes on, (following the bit about 'No travelcards') *to state:

"All Railcards (e.g. senior citizen) will be accepted at the appropriate
level of discount."

There is nothing about PRIV discounts either way, AFAICS...


Reply today from Travel Facilities to my recent enquiry was that the
matter was still subject to negociations and the outcome would be
posted on ATOC site as normal.
JohnG

Just to be clear John, your query was with regards to priv discounts
right?

On Jun 3, 12:22*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 2, 11:36*pm, wrote:





On Jun 2, 10:14*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:

On Jun 2, 7:34 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

[snip quoted text]

While we're doing tickets for this preview service does anyone know
whether Railcard and Privilege discounts will apply? I did try to
conjure up a journey for the new service on South Eastern's site and
also National Rail but neither had any record of the departures and
therefore the fares couldn't be displayed.

Fares wise, the route is being interwoven into the national network -
basically it will become the new "Any Permitted" route (and route AP
tickets will thus carry the HS1 premium), whilst there will be new
route "not HS1" fares (that won't attract the premium). In this
context national Railcard discounts will surely apply on the HS
service - though whether the (SE England-only) Network Railcard will
be valid is perhaps less clear (bearing in mind that it's not a
'statutory' railcard, it's an opt-in arrangement for the TOCs).

The Kent franchise ITT (we've quoted it on the premium %ages before) simply
goes on, (following the bit about 'No travelcards') *to state:

"All Railcards (e.g. senior citizen) will be accepted at the appropriate
level of discount."

There is nothing about PRIV discounts either way, AFAICS...

Reply today from Travel Facilities to my recent enquiry was that the
matter was still subject to negociations and the outcome would be
posted on ATOC site as normal.
JohnG

Just to be clear John, your query was with regards to priv discounts
right?- Hide quoted text -

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Apologies for misleading brevity! My enquiry (and response) was
regarding both Free and Privilege discounted travel over HS1 on
domestic services for retired ex-BR management staff.
Hope that this is unambiguous!
JohnG

On Jun 3, 8:00*am, wrote:

On Jun 3, 12:22*am, Mizter T wrote:

On Jun 2, 11:36*pm, wrote:

[snip]

Reply today from Travel Facilities to my recent enquiry was that the
matter was still subject to negociations and the outcome would be
posted on ATOC site as normal.
JohnG

Just to be clear John, your query was with regards to priv discounts
right?

Apologies for misleading brevity! My enquiry (and response) was
regarding both Free and Privilege discounted travel over HS1 on
domestic services for retired ex-BR management staff.
Hope that this is unambiguous!
JohnG

Thanks for clearing that up. Do let us know if you find out anything
for definite!

On 2 June, 23:36, wrote:
On Jun 2, 10:14*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:



Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 2, 7:34 pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

[snip quoted text]

While we're doing tickets for this preview service does anyone know
whether Railcard and Privilege discounts will apply? I did try to
conjure up a journey for the new service on South Eastern's site and
also National Rail but neither had any record of the departures and
therefore the fares couldn't be displayed.

Fares wise, the route is being interwoven into the national network -
basically it will become the new "Any Permitted" route (and route AP
tickets will thus carry the HS1 premium), whilst there will be new
route "not HS1" fares (that won't attract the premium). In this
context national Railcard discounts will surely apply on the HS
service - though whether the (SE England-only) Network Railcard will
be valid is perhaps less clear (bearing in mind that it's not a
'statutory' railcard, it's an opt-in arrangement for the TOCs).

The Kent franchise ITT (we've quoted it on the premium %ages before) simply
goes on, (following the bit about 'No travelcards') *to state:

"All Railcards (e.g. senior citizen) will be accepted at the appropriate
level of discount."

There is nothing about PRIV discounts either way, AFAICS...

Paul S- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Reply today from Travel Facilities to my recent enquiry was that the
matter was still subject to negociations and the outcome would be
posted on ATOC site as normal.
JohnG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have read on another forum that the only staff (current or retired)
welcome on HS1 will be the ones paying the full non discounted fare.
If this should be the case then any support I had for this venture
will disappear very quickly and I will look forward to its failing!

On Jun 3, 6:50*pm, Standing at HN28 signal
wrote:

On 2 June, 23:36, wrote:

[snip]

Reply today from Travel Facilities to my recent enquiry was that the
matter was still subject to negociations and the outcome would be
posted on ATOC site as normal.
JohnG

I have read on another forum that the only staff (current or retired)
welcome on HS1 will be the ones paying the full non discounted fare.
If this should be the case then any support I had for this venture
will disappear very quickly and I will look forward to its failing!

Welcome to the bitchy world of the railway employee!

Anyway, before all you privileged lot get your knickers in a twist
it's perhaps worth waiting for the official word on this, rather than
just going by some random internet rumour-mongering.

I wonder whether rail staff might basically get everything they
normally get apart from having to pay the undiscounted HS1 premium...
but we shall see what actually transpires in due course.

I have had a reply to me query about Britrail Vailidity on the HS1
preview services (that's **Britrail validity**)services. You're going
to enjoy the reply:

Dear Mr J Smith (still not my name)

Thank you for your website comment dated 1 June, concerning our high
speed preview service.

I can confirm that there is no free or reduced rate travel for rail
staff (including those with Britrail Flexi-passes) on our high speed
preview service. However, we're currently finalising the policy with
the Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC) and Rail Staff
Travel about our high speed services.

Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

Yours sincerely

David Geraghty

Customer Relations Officer

Southeastern

I am of course left still wondering what happens if, like me, you're
not ex-staff with a Britrail pass!

tf

In message
, at
14:11:31 on Wed, 3 Jun 2009, remarked:
I can confirm that there is no free or reduced rate travel for rail
staff (including those with Britrail Flexi-passes)

Since when were Britrail passes either "free" or "reduced rate"?

Do they accept an all-lines rover?
--
Roland Perry

On 3 June, 22:11, wrote:
I have had a reply to me query about Britrail Vailidity on the HS1
preview services (that's **Britrail validity**)services. You're going
to enjoy the reply:

Dear Mr J Smith (still not my name)

Thank you for your website comment dated 1 June, concerning our high
speed preview service.

I can confirm that there is no free or reduced rate travel for rail
staff (including those with Britrail Flexi-passes) on our high speed
preview service. However, we're currently finalising the policy with
the Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC) and Rail Staff
Travel about our high speed services.

Thank you for taking the time to contact us.

Yours sincerely

David Geraghty

Customer Relations Officer

Southeastern

I am of course left still wondering what happens if, like me, you're
not ex-staff with a Britrail pass!

tf

I of course wonder why this ban on railway staff using the service is
in place. To me it, a humble railway employee, it makes no sense
whatsoever and could quite easily signal the demise of staff travel
discounts which have been in place for decades. It is of course also
worth noting that it doesn't do much to encourage use of the train by
employees of the company who operate it!

Like I said, any support I would have had for the HS1 venture is now
gone. If you wish to **** on your own by not letting them use your
service, discounted at least, then you do not deserve to succeed in my
opinion!!