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On Jun 24, 1:22*pm, wrote:
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(Mizter T) wrote:
The LM trains on loan to Southern still have LM route maps in them
then? If so (what you say isn't entirely clear), then that's a bit
shabby. Though are the units on loan to Southern fixed, or do they
rotate (for maintenance purposes etc)?

They must be fixed, surely? They had to fit shoegear which only
applies to the units loaned to Southern.

They're not fixed, as there are at least 10 units with shoegear and
the 'spares' still operate LM services. There is an ECS diagram to/
from Selhurst to swap units over for maintenance.

So, only a small subset of the LM fleet but enough to come and go between
LM and Southern for maintenance. Most of the LM Desiro fleet don't have
shoegear, surely?

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Colin Rosenstiel

On 24 June, 13:00, Mizter T wrote:
The LM trains on loan to Southern still have LM route maps in them
then? If so (what you say isn't entirely clear), then that's a bit
shabby. Though are the units on loan to Southern fixed, or do they
rotate (for maintenance purposes etc)?

Rumour has it they're not maintained at all. In any case they'd have
to be sent up to Northampton ECS.

I've only ever seen a 350/1 during the week, as mentioned in the past
350/2 would be much more appropiate in the peak (16:54 and 18:54 from
SPB north are no seats available until HRW. 17:54 and you're lucky to
get on the train.

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(Andy) wrote:

On Jun 24, 1:22 pm, wrote:
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(Mizter T) wrote:
The LM trains on loan to Southern still have LM route maps in them
then? If so (what you say isn't entirely clear), then that's a bit
shabby. Though are the units on loan to Southern fixed, or do they
rotate (for maintenance purposes etc)?

They must be fixed, surely? They had to fit shoegear which only
applies to the units loaned to Southern.

They're not fixed, as there are at least 10 units with shoegear and
the 'spares' still operate LM services. There is an ECS diagram to/
from Selhurst to swap units over for maintenance.

So, only a small subset of the LM fleet but enough to come and go between
LM and Southern for maintenance. Most of the LM Desiro fleet don't have
shoegear, surely?


All the 350/1s already had shoegear fitted, but the actual shoes - the
'wearing part' had apparently been removed AIUI. But the shoe arm itself
isn't usually visible, as it rotates upwards (pivoted at the inboard end)
behind the shoebeam, whenever the pantograph is up. The edge of the shoe is
only just visible when raised, so you'd probably not realise it was there if
the unit was at speed on AC supplies. I photographed a WLL service during
layover at Milton Keynes last week with my phone camera - in the ambient
light conditions the shoe was visible to the eye, but didn't come out on the
picture...

Also, about 15 units have appeared on the WLL service so far - so with only
4 out of 15 at a time needing SN maps, you can see why they haven't bothered
changing them.

Paul S

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(Andy) wrote:

On Jun 24, 1:22 pm, wrote:
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(Mizter T) wrote:
The LM trains on loan to Southern still have LM route maps in
them then? If so (what you say isn't entirely clear), then
that's a bit shabby. Though are the units on loan to Southern
fixed, or do they rotate (for maintenance purposes etc)?

They must be fixed, surely? They had to fit shoegear which only
applies to the units loaned to Southern.

They're not fixed, as there are at least 10 units with shoegear and
the 'spares' still operate LM services. There is an ECS diagram to/
from Selhurst to swap units over for maintenance.

So, only a small subset of the LM fleet but enough to come and go
between LM and Southern for maintenance. Most of the LM Desiro fleet
don't have shoegear, surely?

All the 350/1s already had shoegear fitted, but the actual shoes -
the 'wearing part' had apparently been removed AIUI. But the shoe
arm itself isn't usually visible, as it rotates upwards (pivoted at
the inboard end) behind the shoebeam, whenever the pantograph is
up. The edge of the shoe is only just visible when raised, so you'd
probably not realise it was there if the unit was at speed on AC
supplies. I photographed a WLL service during layover at Milton
Keynes last week with my phone camera - in the ambient light
conditions the shoe was visible to the eye, but didn't come out on
the picture...

Also, about 15 units have appeared on the WLL service so far - so
with only 4 out of 15 at a time needing SN maps, you can see why
they haven't bothered changing them.

OIC. I didn't realise how much had been done towards DC equipping the LM
Desiros. Why, AAMOI?

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Jun 25, 6:50*pm, wrote:
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(Andy) wrote:

On Jun 24, 1:22 pm, wrote:
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(Mizter T) wrote:
The LM trains on loan to Southern still have LM route maps in
them then? If so (what you say isn't entirely clear), then
that's a bit shabby. Though are the units on loan to Southern
fixed, or do they rotate (for maintenance purposes etc)?

They must be fixed, surely? They had to fit shoegear which only
applies to the units loaned to Southern.

They're not fixed, as there are at least 10 units with shoegear and
the 'spares' still operate LM services. There is an ECS diagram to/
from Selhurst to swap units over for maintenance.

So, only a small subset of the LM fleet but enough to come and go
between LM and Southern for maintenance. Most of the LM Desiro fleet
don't have shoegear, surely?

All the 350/1s already had shoegear fitted, but the actual shoes -
the 'wearing part' had apparently been removed AIUI. *But the shoe
arm itself isn't usually visible, as it rotates upwards (pivoted at
the inboard end) behind the shoebeam, whenever the pantograph is
up. The edge of the shoe is only just visible when raised, so you'd
probably not realise it was there if the unit was at speed on AC
supplies. *I photographed a WLL service during layover at Milton
Keynes last week with my phone camera - in the ambient light
conditions the shoe was visible to the eye, but didn't come out on
the picture...

Also, about 15 units have appeared on the WLL service so far - so
with only 4 out of 15 at a time needing SN maps, you can see why
they haven't bothered changing them.

OIC. I didn't realise how much had been done towards DC equipping the LM
Desiros. Why, AAMOI?


Because the units were originally specified as 5 car 450s and this was
changed to 350s when DfT decided that Silverlink / Central trains
needed them more than SWT. As 450s, they would have had the shoegear
and so this was retained when the order was altered. All the 350/1
units have had the capability from the delivery, even if the shoes are
in storage.

On Jun 25, 10:10*am, Paul Weaver wrote:
On 24 June, 13:00, Mizter T wrote:

The LM trains on loan to Southern still have LM route maps in them
then? If so (what you say isn't entirely clear), then that's a bit
shabby. Though are the units on loan to Southern fixed, or do they
rotate (for maintenance purposes etc)?

Rumour has it they're not maintained at all. In any case they'd have
to be sent up to Northampton ECS.

I've only ever seen a 350/1 during the week, as mentioned in the past
350/2 would be much more appropiate in the peak (16:54 and 18:54 from
SPB north are no seats available until HRW. 17:54 and you're lucky to
get on the train.

The 350/2s don't have the necessary shoegear though, as they were
built with only the AC equipment on board, unlike the 350/1 order
which were a change to the original 5 car 450s ordered for SWT, but
diverted to Silverlink / Central trains.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:50:48 -0500,
wrote:

OIC. I didn't realise how much had been done towards DC equipping the LM
Desiros. Why, AAMOI?

It was more that they had things done to AC equip them - they
originated from an order that was planned to go to South West Trains
and were redirected after some sort of funding issue.

The 350/2s, having been ordered for LM to start with, don't have
shoegear of any sort.

Neil

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(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:50:48 -0500,
wrote:

OIC. I didn't realise how much had been done towards DC equipping the
LM Desiros. Why, AAMOI?

It was more that they had things done to AC equip them - they
originated from an order that was planned to go to South West Trains
and were redirected after some sort of funding issue.

Oh, yes, I should have remembered that shuffle. What I didn't realise was
how far down the line the build had got such that such things were
included.

The 350/2s, having been ordered for LM to start with, don't have
shoegear of any sort.

But some have now been equipped for use on Southern?

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:40:38 -0500,
wrote:

The 350/2s, having been ordered for LM to start with, don't have
shoegear of any sort.

But some have now been equipped for use on Southern?

No. Only 350/1s are used by Southern.

Neil

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(Neil Williams) wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:40:38 -0500,
wrote:

The 350/2s, having been ordered for LM to start with, don't have
shoegear of any sort.

But some have now been equipped for use on Southern?

No. Only 350/1s are used by Southern.

Ah! My confusion then. So why the suggestion that only some are converted
to be suitable for that role?

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Colin Rosenstiel